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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Stein you know last week we

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had race Stanford on the show very

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outspoken guy those amateur

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paleontologists and UFO investigator

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combined working at both very

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successfully it almost I think were

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pretty much reached a record and the

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number of episode downloads of any

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episode of the para cast over the past

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over eight years imagine that well it

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was keeping our servers busy working

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overtime really good really good

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response to his appearance and he posted

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a couple of items which I quoted in our

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forums responses different issues I

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think one significant one regarding the

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Socorro New Mexico UFO this is the

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insignia on the UFO and some online

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commentator complained that Stanford

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made an erroneous claim or a false claim

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about the so-called change of the

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insignia in descriptions of the sighting

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but we learn from documents that have

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already been revealed plus all the

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references he provided that was done by

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the government who investigated the case

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suggesting they change that insignia so

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they wouldn't get fake cases as I think

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Dave Rudy AK who's a longtime

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investigator of this girl case pointed

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out on the forums that you know raised

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once again has vindicated that his

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claims have been backed up by

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documentation and you know what better

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place to find that than the National

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Archives with with a film crew right

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there it's something where they didn't

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know what they would find until the

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information was presented to them so it

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was a very happy surprise yeah I just

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really pushing Rea as hard as I can you

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know you can't push push way too hard so

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I am good and and supporting him to get

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his work out

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and publish it so that people can

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finally be shut up about their whining

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and complaining and not believing his

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his claims and you know again the guy

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works at his own pace who are we to

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question it he's not a young man he

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knows that and his analytical work that

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he's been working on pretty much since

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I've known him is just jaw-dropping and

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up someone like James Fox who is

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unfairly up to speed guy wouldn't spend

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eight eight days with someone unless

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there was something there and you know I

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people call me an apologist for more

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they say I've you know I drunk the REA

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kool-aid or I don't know how many other

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insults have been thrown in my direction

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over this whole raise Stamford situation

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but he's gonna have the last laugh and I

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I'm sticking to my guns I'm I'm not some

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wet-behind-the-ears

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idiot I do have a bit of experience in

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this field myself and I know the real

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thing when I see it and I don't really

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care what anybody else thinks about that

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part of the criticism is the fact that

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Ray and his brother Rex we're involved

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with some of the contactees in the 50s

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but they were teenagers then what we

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outgrow our craziness is teenagers at

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least most of us do know yeah yeah let's

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go ahead and hold to speak to the fire

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things that happened 40 50 years ago

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sure I mean he's very talented I we've

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never really talked about his his is

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what some would call psychic abilities

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for instance the the ability to detect

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and analyze traces of animals that

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existed you know 65 200 million years

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ago is uncanny and I think there is some

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sort of extra ability that he has his

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observational acuity is off the charts

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and and I think that you know a person

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with those kinds of sensitivities I

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think when they're young and and don't

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have a lot of the experience that you

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have once you've grown up you know that

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could

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would definitely impact people around

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you so you know I think over the many

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years he's tempered his enthusiasm and

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really focused on the scientific aspect

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of ufology as opposed to the

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organization's and the attempts to make

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friends and influence people so to speak

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so you know again Ray's gonna have the

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last laugh

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I'm his biggest fan and I'm really glad

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that there is an ever-increasing parade

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of very talented and high-powered people

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that are beating a path to his door and

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being shown some some pretty amazing

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stuff now in our forums if you go to

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forum dr. Peric ascom and check the

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thread called

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ray stanford May 18 2004

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there's also material there about this

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b-52 crash back in Texas

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February 29th 1968 it was reported by

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the AP were eight people disappeared and

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he talks about the UFO connection and he

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also names the eight people who died by

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the way the people who were never found

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and he has a lot of information and a

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subsequent post from David Rudi ACK he

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amplifies and confirms what ray wrote

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about it no yeah and again you know this

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guy he has an amazing ability to

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compartmentalize data in his head and

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fired away the way he could rattle off

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names and dates and and in descriptions

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you know forty fifty years after the

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fact it's just is amazing to me the guy

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is very very sharp on the ball he hasn't

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really lost any of his mental acuity and

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and I just you know I support I support

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his efforts and I I tried to be there as

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much as I can I try to you know push him

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to to hurry up and finish this process

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so I could be vindicated as well as him

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I mean I'm really stuck my neck out here

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for him I've not done this for anybody

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else in the field really and I just I

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really think that he is

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the most important person in ufology and

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there's no question in my mind about

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that it's amazing though and makes me

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feel more encouraging and encouraged

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about people's to get older he's what 77

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years old yep almost yes horn is a whip

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I hope when I'm 77 I can do just as well

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let's move on to our guest today now

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both guests by the way been on the power

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cast before separately but they make up

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two of the three authors behind a new

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book about what is considered one of the

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best documented UFO cases in history

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back in December 1980 the Rendlesham

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forest incident the book is a hardcover

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and by the way it's from major publisher

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which is a division of st. Martin's

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Press you know when you get a big

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publisher behind a UFO oriented book

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that's an event in and of itself yeah

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it's a hardcover book

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how many hardcover books are being

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published anymore it's got regular thick

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paper very well printed encounter in

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Rendlesham forest it's Nick Pope with

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John Burroughs and Jim Penniston and

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both John and Nick will be on the show

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today they've been on the power cast

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before separately but we're really happy

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to have them together to get the latest

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insights about this case because it

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still remains a very big point of

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speculation there are many many

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questions from our listeners these two

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gentlemen as you know Nick Pope was

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doing UFO investigations for the

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Ministry of Defense in the UK you know

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he's like a counterpart of the late

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who worked with Project Blue Book

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he was the UFO guy for a few years at

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the Ministry of Defense help getting all

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that information out you know they've

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released under the UK equivalent of the

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Freedom of Information Act a lot of

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cases maybe not things with smoking guns

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but a lot of UFO information has been

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revealed from the UK would that we had

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near as much in the US

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well I'm really looking forward to this

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i I've met both John and Nick and the

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book is his fascinating I think we're

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gonna find out some nice some new

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information here that most people don't

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know about the case now I realize some

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of you are new to the parent caste and

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certainly new to UFO lore so very likely

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you haven't heard much about this case

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in fact we'll summarize it quickly for

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people who are not familiar with

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Rendlesham that much but we're going to

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run right into the new stuff stuff they

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haven't heard before we'll also focus on

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your questions that's John burrows Nick

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Pope the book is encounter in Rendlesham

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forest more to come you're in the para

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cast first game attack of the rock codes

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and it was a critically acclaimed

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success and now there's the coming of

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the protectors a former military

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intelligence man is contacted by a space

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woman in a dream a dream that turns out

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to be a nightmare because evil forces on

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our distant planet are planning to

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conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

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and the coming of the protectors find

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is what they call trade paperback with

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the soft covers and everything so Nick

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Pope and John Burroughs are with us Nick

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you gotta be lucky that you got such a

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high-quality book accepted by a major

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publisher well I think it it was a

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mixture of good fortune but also hard

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words both on the part of John Jim

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myself and our literary agent back in

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the UK

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Andrew Lonnie and we did very much take

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the view that yes in in a world littered

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with self-published

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as you say softcover trade paperbacks we

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wanted to go with a mainstream publisher

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we wanted this book to get into Barnes

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and Noble all the big stores and for

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that reason we went with Thomas Dunne

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books which is part of st. Martin's

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Press which in turn is part of the giant

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macmillan

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Group one of the so-called big six in

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the publishing industry and it was

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important to us that we do that for

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precisely the reason that we wanted this

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not just to be a niche UFO and

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paranormal bird but something that was a

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breakout rifle into the mainstream no I

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should tell you that the first book

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publisher I worked with was a division

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of Macmillan this is about twenty years

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ago so somewhat familiar with them and

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it looks like you know they got a

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publicist working on this title with you

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this is really terrific and I know you

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guys have been really restricting the

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interviews I'm glad you're spending

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extra time with us Nick let me start

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here with the case now we have this

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mixed audience most of you have heard

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about Rendlesham some have not maybe

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give us a very brief overview for this

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first segment the remaining you know six

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or seven minutes the essence of the case

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and then we'll get into the details and

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the new stuff okay

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sure well I think what impressed me when

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I first came across this case at the

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Ministry of Defense where I worked for

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21 years but three years on their UFO

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project this was clearly the biggest

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most compelling and generally most

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interesting case in our file it took

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place over a series of nights in

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December 1980 and involved not just

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lights in the sky but a structured craft

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of some sort which as you'll hear from

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John he and Jim got extremely close to

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in a way that I think most witnesses who

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see UFOs just for a few seconds in the

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distance don't get to experience and

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what was I think particularly compelling

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about this is that John and Jim weren't

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the only witnesses I mean in all that

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the twin bases of pink waters and

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Woodbridge where this took place now

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these are American bases on British soil

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there were probably many many dozen

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witnesses including the deputy base

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commander Lieutenant Colonel Charles

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halt the UFO was tracked on radar the

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UFO left physical traces in terms of

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indentations on the ground scorch marks

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on the tree and

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interesting radiation levels which were

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taken with a Geiger counter and assessed

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subsequently not just by the US Air

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Force but by the British Ministry of

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Defence where the Defense Intelligence

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staff essentially said that these levels

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of radiation seemed significantly higher

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than background and again the thing that

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makes all of this stand out is this

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isn't just John and Jim's recollections

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there is an audit trail of verifiable

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documents government documents the

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provenance of which is not disputed

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actually backing up everything that we

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say so for example when I talk about the

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Defense Intelligence staff and the

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radiation levels you can go to the back

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of the book you can see the document

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that I'm talking about and indeed as I

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say the provenance of these documents

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are not disputed they're also lodged at

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the National Archives in in the UK on

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the Ministry of Defense website so all

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this is a multiple witness encounter

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where the vast majority of these

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witnesses are trained military personnel

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and where the physical evidence and I

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think for that reason this this case is

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almost what I call a perfect storm of

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ufology John very briefly because you

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did discuss this in the power cast

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previously you suffered some various

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injuries or an illness which may be

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related to the radiation factor right

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yeah my vision and heart and since I've

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been on last time it got really bad I've

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had to have surgery on my valve I had it

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replaced I've got a pacemaker

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defibrillator and what's also

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interesting is when this whole things

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got out of hand tried to get my military

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records for my civilian doctor and it

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was denied by the DoD in the VA I can

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say this it appears oh that my records

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my medical records are classified so

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they won't release my records for first

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my civilian doctor then my VA doctors to

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work with he also are filing for

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disability they won't release them so my

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records seem to be locked down oh boy

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yes let me ask you parenthetically

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because there's this big

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brouhaha now about the way the VA is

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treating veterans have you found

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problems with the VA beyond the fact

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that you can't get your medical records

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well I mean just of it is everything is

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being said is factual the wait times are

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terrible when I went down a couple of

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weeks ago when Senator McCain had his

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press conference I had a guy sit right

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next to me this having the same problem

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I am and that his records are either

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being held back or some of them they did

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get or hold up through a lawyer are

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redacted

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so yeah the VA he's got terrible wait

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lines not every facility in the country

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but quite a few of them they do there

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clearly is you know they were doing the

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list and you know people were as they

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put out or appear to be dying from it so

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yeah there's a big problem in the VA

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besides me alone and that's that's clear

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but what makes it even harder is when

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you run a case across like mine or other

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people that have either been involved in

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substance classified or working on

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classified weapons they can't even get

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their records for their doctors to

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understand how to treat them from their

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illnesses which can lead to cancer and a

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lot of other things well certainly

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there's radiation and look what you have

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undergone is there an excuse given by

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the authorities for keeping your records

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of secret other than mrs. top-secret

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information don't they care about the

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health and welfare of people who serve

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this country they won't answer Senator

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McCain they won't answer for us they

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won't answer whether they've even

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centers there's a division set up it's

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called special operations and you can

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apply and that's what Senator Kyl tried

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to do before a retired senator McCain's

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doing it now they won't even answer if

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they've even applied or if my records

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are classified for sure they just keep

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giving us the runaround so yeah there is

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supposedly some protocol set up but they

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don't want to answer it and even why

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does Senator McCain when he asked for

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all the stuff they used originally to

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design my disability they only gave him

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part of it and we reapplied for it they

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sent some more but they won't answer for

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you as far as how much do they have if

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any of its classified or redacted and

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what is actually the laws they have to

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operate by and ultimately I've already

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spoke to one lawyer almond I possibly

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going to move forward if they design my

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second appeal is the fact that these are

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my records and they don't have legal

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right to hold it back

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I would think also if you're suffering

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irreparable harm because a doctor can't

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get the records can't look at your

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medical history can't get a full picture

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of your condition you know you have a

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heck of a lawsuit there I would think I

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mean we don't want that to happen

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obviously you know I've met John

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Burroughs he spent some time in my house

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when he did the last episode of the para

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cast that he appeared on he's a great

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guy why would anybody want to hurt this

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fellow I'll tell you or anyone who's

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impacted by these VA and government okay

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folks our guests are John burrows and

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hi this is Steve Sanchez and based on a

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recent study it was found that 57

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million Americans had legal issues over

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the last 12 months but only 60% of those

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this is Don Ecker and you are tuned in

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to the para cast let me tell you what

596
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you're gonna hear stuff here that you

597
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probably won't hear anywhere else hear

598
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that George here on the power cast with

599
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gene and Chris we have John Burroughs

600
00:27:23,220 --> 00:27:21,100
and Nick Pope the book is Encounter in

601
00:27:25,799 --> 00:27:23,230
Rendlesham forest I understand this is

602
00:27:27,810 --> 00:27:25,809
not being a political show the fact is

603
00:27:29,970 --> 00:27:27,820
here that in order to understand the

604
00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:29,980
impact of the case we have to look into

605
00:27:36,030 --> 00:27:33,910
how it hurt the health of John burrows

606
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:36,040
and therefore we get involved in the

607
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:37,450
politics because that's what it's all

608
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:40,720
about okay now John obviously here if

609
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they're holding things back and their

610
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secret obviously there are things about

611
00:27:49,169 --> 00:27:46,630
this case they don't want the public to

612
00:27:52,260 --> 00:27:49,179
know yeah that's that's pretty clear I

613
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mean like I said when I got sick last

614
00:27:58,110 --> 00:27:54,990
the first time I was in civilian doctors

615
00:28:00,299 --> 00:27:58,120
he was perplexed he knew I had a heart

616
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issue but he couldn't figure out why he

617
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:02,290
asked me one when I first started having

618
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the problem and Isis back in the

619
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military and they gave him a brief

620
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description you know right after

621
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something happened to me I started

622
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:11,380
getting sick then they did the diagnosis

623
00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:13,210
you know as far as I had mitral valve

624
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:15,760
prolapse and they did an echo and all

625
00:28:18,990 --> 00:28:17,440
that other stuff and he says well for me

626
00:28:22,050 --> 00:28:19,000
I need to see the

627
00:28:23,580 --> 00:28:22,060
symptoms maybe have a better idea and

628
00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:23,590
they're holding it back so there's

629
00:28:28,380 --> 00:28:26,110
speculation by different people why but

630
00:28:31,170 --> 00:28:28,390
ultimately they don't want that part

631
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:31,180
when I got sick first and then some of

632
00:28:35,730 --> 00:28:32,890
this stuff even now it's going on with

633
00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:35,740
the VA some of my stuff is tied up in a

634
00:28:38,970 --> 00:28:37,510
system where I can't even get I've asked

635
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for it and they won't give it to me and

636
00:28:43,020 --> 00:28:41,320
a couple of my initial doctors you have

637
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:43,030
to go through steps to go to Ricardo

638
00:28:47,250 --> 00:28:45,010
specialists they can't even see it it's

639
00:28:48,690 --> 00:28:47,260
in the Vista system which is twofold

640
00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:48,700
it's a paperless system they're working

641
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:51,310
on but it also goes to the DoD so even

642
00:28:57,030 --> 00:28:53,650
some of my VA doctors don't have access

643
00:28:59,070 --> 00:28:57,040
to my heart condition itself and the

644
00:29:00,750 --> 00:28:59,080
echos and everything else and even some

645
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:00,760
of the surgery stuff now is there

646
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:02,290
anything about your condition that

647
00:29:06,990 --> 00:29:04,890
doctors who examine you have said is

648
00:29:09,150 --> 00:29:07,000
unusual I mean it's not unusual for

649
00:29:10,410 --> 00:29:09,160
people to have heart conditions well one

650
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:10,420
of the things that was brought up is

651
00:29:16,620 --> 00:29:13,450
they mitral valve is something that's

652
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:16,630
there but both of my by leaflets were

653
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:18,880
damaged and they I can't remember how

654
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:20,080
you pronounce them I just call them

655
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:22,090
front back the back ones usually never

656
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:24,640
damaged and in my program I that one was

657
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:26,530
shredded and it was mentioned that

658
00:29:29,910 --> 00:29:27,760
they've never seen anything like that

659
00:29:31,530 --> 00:29:29,920
and there is stuff out there that's been

660
00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:31,540
uncovered including it was an article

661
00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:33,910
written in a medical journal journal on

662
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:36,910
in January stating that that kind of

663
00:29:40,830 --> 00:29:38,410
damage is usually caused by radiation

664
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:40,840
now a parenthetically Nick Pope maybe

665
00:29:46,020 --> 00:29:42,730
you you recall this did you ever study

666
00:29:48,990 --> 00:29:46,030
the cash Landrum case in the u.s. yeah

667
00:29:51,810 --> 00:29:49,000
this was something that was apparent to

668
00:29:54,270 --> 00:29:51,820
John Jim and I very quickly when we

669
00:29:56,570 --> 00:29:54,280
started trying to put the Rendlesham

670
00:30:00,380 --> 00:29:56,580
forest incident into its wider

671
00:30:03,030 --> 00:30:00,390
geopolitical context was was the

672
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:03,040
coincidence if indeed you believe that's

673
00:30:11,370 --> 00:30:06,610
what it is but really a matter of hours

674
00:30:12,510 --> 00:30:11,380
after the second well-known encounter in

675
00:30:15,540 --> 00:30:12,520
Rendlesham forest

676
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:15,550
I either one involving Colonel Holt as

677
00:30:20,130 --> 00:30:18,610
well as a number of witnesses and John

678
00:30:24,180 --> 00:30:20,140
indeed was part of that second encounter

679
00:30:27,570 --> 00:30:24,190
too but yeah the catch landrum case took

680
00:30:31,230 --> 00:30:27,580
place just so close in terms of trying

681
00:30:32,820 --> 00:30:31,240
to Rendlesham and both cases involve the

682
00:30:35,610 --> 00:30:32,830
apparent irradiation

683
00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:35,620
of the witnesses that won Tron health

684
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:38,049
but think you know what the connection

685
00:30:42,899 --> 00:30:40,090
might be there was this the same object

686
00:30:46,110 --> 00:30:42,909
is there some other connection in terms

687
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:46,120
of what government spirit the American

688
00:30:51,899 --> 00:30:48,159
or the British government no we're not

689
00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:51,909
sure but certainly we were aware of this

690
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:55,289
extraordinary coincident yeah that leads

691
00:31:01,259 --> 00:30:59,440
to an interesting question many people

692
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:01,269
who have studied the cash Landrum case

693
00:31:06,509 --> 00:31:03,610
I've come to the conclusion that this

694
00:31:08,940 --> 00:31:06,519
could have been some sort of perhaps a

695
00:31:12,330 --> 00:31:08,950
black project of the United States

696
00:31:14,669 --> 00:31:12,340
military and one of our listeners who

697
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:14,679
has posted questions at forum dr. Peric

698
00:31:17,610 --> 00:31:15,519
ask.com

699
00:31:19,289 --> 00:31:17,620
asked the question is there evidence to

700
00:31:21,870 --> 00:31:19,299
suggest that the Rendlesham forest

701
00:31:23,850 --> 00:31:21,880
incident could simply have been the

702
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:23,860
testing of a secret military aircraft or

703
00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:26,559
weapon well I am pretty skeptical of of

704
00:31:31,889 --> 00:31:28,510
that theory I mean I think it's taken as

705
00:31:35,639 --> 00:31:31,899
a given that at any time there will be a

706
00:31:38,909 --> 00:31:35,649
number of black projects secret

707
00:31:41,850 --> 00:31:38,919
prototype aircraft spy planes drones

708
00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:41,860
flying around being tested sometimes

709
00:31:47,399 --> 00:31:44,110
they'll have gone operational but you

710
00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:47,409
won't see at the air shows for 10 maybe

711
00:31:52,289 --> 00:31:50,289
15 years there is a huge gap in other

712
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:52,299
words between what's going on in the

713
00:31:56,700 --> 00:31:54,250
research and development world and the

714
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:56,710
testing world and what's publicly

715
00:32:02,820 --> 00:31:59,200
declared now we considered obviously

716
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:02,830
very carefully the state of aviation

717
00:32:09,330 --> 00:32:06,010
technology in 1980 when this occurred

718
00:32:13,409 --> 00:32:09,340
and you know if if this was a if this

719
00:32:16,830 --> 00:32:13,419
had been some prototype aircraft or turn

720
00:32:19,139 --> 00:32:16,840
you will be expect around about 10-15

721
00:32:21,810 --> 00:32:19,149
years downstream it would be publicly

722
00:32:22,649 --> 00:32:21,820
declared here is just has happened with

723
00:32:25,259 --> 00:32:22,659
stealth

724
00:32:26,879 --> 00:32:25,269
for example this this is some new piece

725
00:32:30,090 --> 00:32:26,889
of kit that we've got but we haven't

726
00:32:33,330 --> 00:32:30,100
seen anything which seems remotely close

727
00:32:35,340 --> 00:32:33,340
yet in either shape or capability in

728
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:35,350
terms of speed and maneuverability to

729
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:37,600
what was actually encountered in

730
00:32:41,850 --> 00:32:39,730
Rendlesham forest so that's one of the

731
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:41,860
reasons I'm skeptical about that I mean

732
00:32:46,139 --> 00:32:43,809
the other reason is that I obviously

733
00:32:46,499 --> 00:32:46,149
through my Ministry of Defense job have

734
00:33:00,359 --> 00:32:46,509
a

735
00:33:03,319 --> 00:33:00,369
in the US Air Force so yes of course we

736
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:03,329
we certainly considered that possibility

737
00:33:09,539 --> 00:33:06,399
but we've not been able to turn off any

738
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:09,549
aircraft or drone that would match what

739
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:12,159
was actually encountered as a practical

740
00:33:17,069 --> 00:33:15,039
matter Nick though wouldn't the US

741
00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:17,079
government contact people with the

742
00:33:20,819 --> 00:33:18,609
Ministry of Defence and give them a

743
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:20,829
heads-up if something was being tested

744
00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:23,440
even if it was secret they'd contact the

745
00:33:27,329 --> 00:33:25,329
right authorities so they wouldn't be

746
00:33:29,399 --> 00:33:27,339
surprised they'd be prepared for it if

747
00:33:32,089 --> 00:33:29,409
indeed there is a well established

748
00:33:37,189 --> 00:33:32,099
diplomatic clearance procedure for

749
00:33:40,729 --> 00:33:37,199
overflights for testing and even if a

750
00:33:42,899 --> 00:33:40,739
nation is not briefed on the full

751
00:33:45,419 --> 00:33:42,909
capabilities of a craft if it's

752
00:33:47,009 --> 00:33:45,429
something new you would still put in

753
00:33:50,609 --> 00:33:47,019
what what's called a dip clear a

754
00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:50,619
diplomatic clearance then and say you

755
00:33:58,439 --> 00:33:53,129
know this this is we have something

756
00:34:00,449 --> 00:33:58,449
coming through so so yeah again let's

757
00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:00,459
give another reason why the idea that

758
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:02,049
this was some secret prototype aircraft

759
00:34:08,399 --> 00:34:06,159
or drone it doesn't really match John

760
00:34:13,470 --> 00:34:08,409
let's go back to the case where you came

761
00:34:16,289 --> 00:34:13,480
very close to the I sure go ahead please

762
00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:16,299
talk a little bit about it um the book

763
00:34:18,569 --> 00:34:18,129
itself goes into a lot of different

764
00:34:22,019 --> 00:34:18,579
things

765
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:22,029
um Nick touched on it earlier and I

766
00:34:24,839 --> 00:34:23,679
think we've done a couple interviews

767
00:34:27,569 --> 00:34:24,849
where we've never really gotten around

768
00:34:29,399 --> 00:34:27,579
to it but Nick was involved in a project

769
00:34:33,869 --> 00:34:29,409
called project condign which is in the

770
00:34:36,779 --> 00:34:33,879
book and within the project which is not

771
00:34:39,389 --> 00:34:36,789
well known but it is in the book is the

772
00:34:41,129 --> 00:34:39,399
fact that demo D documents that were

773
00:34:44,279 --> 00:34:41,139
Declassified admitted that we were

774
00:34:47,909 --> 00:34:44,289
exposed to a phenomena and it involved a

775
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:47,919
phenomenon that is real and it involves

776
00:34:53,069 --> 00:34:51,490
radiation so I I defer to Nick that I

777
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:53,079
think I'd like to hear him talk a little

778
00:34:57,970 --> 00:34:55,599
bit about that to the listeners because

779
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:57,980
there is something out there

780
00:35:02,590 --> 00:35:00,320
it's in the record that is military

781
00:35:03,790 --> 00:35:02,600
documents to show what very well we

782
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:03,800
could have been countered and what other

783
00:35:09,370 --> 00:35:06,410
people have had encounters much neck

784
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:09,380
you're on yeah absolutely I'm very glad

785
00:35:14,109 --> 00:35:11,690
Sean brought that up because I think we

786
00:35:17,290 --> 00:35:14,119
regard it actually as one of the most

787
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:17,300
important bits in the book the project

788
00:35:24,990 --> 00:35:22,130
condign was essentially an intelligent

789
00:35:27,340 --> 00:35:25,000
study into the UFO phenomenon

790
00:35:30,970 --> 00:35:27,350
commissioned by the Ministry of

791
00:35:34,270 --> 00:35:30,980
Defense's Defense Intelligence staff but

792
00:35:37,930 --> 00:35:34,280
this was so sensitive but it was not

793
00:35:41,410 --> 00:35:37,940
even handled in the mo D but it was it

794
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:41,420
was farmed out to a defense contractor

795
00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:44,570
by means of an existing contract so that

796
00:35:51,550 --> 00:35:47,510
there wouldn't even be a paper trail for

797
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:51,560
the tracing of the contract and when the

798
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:56,090
final report was Declassified man when I

799
00:36:02,380 --> 00:35:58,130
say Declassified this is one of the

800
00:36:04,270 --> 00:36:02,390
highest levels of paperwork in terms of

801
00:36:06,460 --> 00:36:04,280
classification that the UFO community

802
00:36:10,030 --> 00:36:06,470
has ever really encountered it was

803
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:10,040
secret UK eyes only and the final report

804
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:14,240
when - 468 pages and I think as is often

805
00:36:20,370 --> 00:36:17,440
the case the UFO community perhaps

806
00:36:23,020 --> 00:36:20,380
missed a few things through focusing on

807
00:36:25,630 --> 00:36:23,030
the executive summary certainly the

808
00:36:27,730 --> 00:36:25,640
media missed a few things let's go into

809
00:36:29,530 --> 00:36:27,740
that in our next segment what areas of

810
00:36:31,870 --> 00:36:29,540
that report that they miss we have Nick

811
00:36:34,380 --> 00:36:31,880
Pope John Burroughs two of the three

812
00:36:36,820 --> 00:36:34,390
people are responsible for encounter in

813
00:36:43,660 --> 00:36:36,830
Rendlesham forest more to come with gene

814
00:36:52,819 --> 00:36:49,670
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standard a paranormal radio

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[Music]

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we have John Burroughs Nick Pope joining

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us together for the first time on the

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para cast with Gene and Chris Nick at

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the end of the last segment you were

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00:41:36,610 --> 00:41:33,980
talking about this report where the UFO

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00:41:38,770 --> 00:41:36,620
community was looking at the talking

924
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:38,780
points the introduction the summaries

925
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but not the information that amplified

926
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on it could you tell us more certainly

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00:41:50,980 --> 00:41:46,730
and with apologies for a fairly long

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00:41:56,730 --> 00:41:50,990
reference positive in the final report

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00:42:00,160 --> 00:41:56,740
if you go to volume 2 an excess of

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working paper one and then you look

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under the heading non ionizing e/m

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00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:06,800
effects on humans an e/m field from a

933
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:09,050
plasma you will actually find the

934
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following quote and i'll read it

935
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verbatim

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ok well if you'll allow me to just read

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00:42:19,740 --> 00:42:17,090
this quote verbatim because I think it's

938
00:42:22,450 --> 00:42:19,750
it's very important it reads as follows

939
00:42:25,660 --> 00:42:22,460
the well reported Rendlesham forest

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00:42:28,030 --> 00:42:25,670
flash Bentwaters event is an example

941
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:28,040
where it might be postulated but several

942
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:30,800
observers were probably exposed to you

943
00:42:37,450 --> 00:42:34,130
AP radiation for longer than normal you

944
00:42:39,550 --> 00:42:37,460
ap cycling period they may not there may

945
00:42:42,070 --> 00:42:39,560
be other cases which remain unreported

946
00:42:44,110 --> 00:42:42,080
it's clear that the recipients of these

947
00:42:46,210 --> 00:42:44,120
effects are not aware of their behavior

948
00:42:49,690 --> 00:42:46,220
/ perception of what they are observing

949
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:49,700
is being modified now I should say that

950
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:52,370
this is little short of sensational this

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00:42:58,270 --> 00:42:55,370
is a British government document which

952
00:43:02,320 --> 00:42:58,280
at the time was stamped secret UK eyes

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00:43:05,410 --> 00:43:02,330
only and here it is the UK Ministry of

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00:43:07,810 --> 00:43:05,420
Defence effectively saying we believe

955
00:43:11,020 --> 00:43:07,820
that the Rendlesham forest witnesses

956
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:11,030
were probably irradiated what bothers me

957
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:13,760
more nagan hearing that quote is that

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they know there is radiation that is

959
00:43:22,770 --> 00:43:19,910
sent forth from these objects and

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00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:22,780
they're warning against obviously

961
00:43:28,050 --> 00:43:25,730
prolonged exposure of some sort in other

962
00:43:30,310 --> 00:43:28,060
words UFOs are dangerous to your health

963
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:30,320
but they're not making public this

964
00:43:34,460 --> 00:43:32,720
warning yeah I think it depends of

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00:43:37,010 --> 00:43:34,470
course on the time of

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exposure and the level of the radiation

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00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:40,230
now if you look at Colonel Holtz report

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you'll see that he's and I spoke to

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Monroe nevels by the way just the other

970
00:43:52,220 --> 00:43:49,160
day again he was someone who's whose

971
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:52,230
input into the book is very important he

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was the disaster preparedness officer

973
00:43:59,690 --> 00:43:56,099
the Colonel Hall took with him into the

974
00:44:02,720 --> 00:43:59,700
forest on the second time that that UFO

975
00:44:07,250 --> 00:44:02,730
came back and and he he said that this

976
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:07,260
was beta radiation and not gamma so in

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one to one extent life that's a good

978
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:13,770
thing but what does that mean for

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00:44:19,070 --> 00:44:17,010
regular people regular people the lay

980
00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:19,080
persons yeah the the lay persons

981
00:44:23,420 --> 00:44:20,670
explanation and I'm not a scientist

982
00:44:28,460 --> 00:44:23,430
myself it's pretty simply less dangerous

983
00:44:31,970 --> 00:44:28,470
but clearly clearly the Ministry of

984
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:31,980
Defense having made at the time the

985
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assessment that the radiation levels

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seemed significantly higher than

987
00:44:40,849 --> 00:44:37,920
background and then in project condign

988
00:44:43,730 --> 00:44:40,859
saying yes these these observers were

989
00:44:45,770 --> 00:44:43,740
probably exposed to UAP radiations for

990
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:45,780
longer than normal you ap cycling

991
00:44:50,690 --> 00:44:48,089
periods that should have been briefed

992
00:44:53,450 --> 00:44:50,700
back to the US Air Force and of course

993
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:53,460
it should have fed into John and Jim's

994
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,730
quest to obtain their military medical

995
00:45:01,730 --> 00:44:58,800
records because it's all relevant but I

996
00:45:04,220 --> 00:45:01,740
think what's absolutely key here is the

997
00:45:06,770 --> 00:45:04,230
fact that on the one hand the US

998
00:45:08,450 --> 00:45:06,780
government public position is we're not

999
00:45:11,660 --> 00:45:08,460
interested in UFOs and we don't

1000
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:11,670
investigate them and haven't since 1969

1001
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:13,770
when Project Blue Book was carried out

1002
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:15,599
and on the other hand the British

1003
00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:18,330
government is saying hey in 1980 these

1004
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:21,089
US military personnel were exposed to

1005
00:45:27,530 --> 00:45:24,000
radiation from this this UFO and by the

1006
00:45:31,099 --> 00:45:27,540
way you ap in Ministry of Defense term

1007
00:45:33,620 --> 00:45:31,109
is simply UFO it is unidentified aerial

1008
00:45:35,570 --> 00:45:33,630
phenomena but we felt it was a more

1009
00:45:38,359 --> 00:45:35,580
scientific term and it term we use

1010
00:45:41,450 --> 00:45:38,369
internally that raises a bigger question

1011
00:45:43,849 --> 00:45:41,460
are there other cases you've looked into

1012
00:45:48,070 --> 00:45:43,859
where people getting in close proximity

1013
00:45:50,980 --> 00:45:48,080
to a UFO for any period suffered any

1014
00:45:53,140 --> 00:45:50,990
affects no I have not come across

1015
00:45:54,940 --> 00:45:53,150
anything except the cash Landrum case

1016
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:54,950
but just going back to the point about

1017
00:45:59,560 --> 00:45:57,650
the radiation I should say and I'll hand

1018
00:46:02,800 --> 00:45:59,570
back perhaps to John on this because

1019
00:46:05,020 --> 00:46:02,810
he's been far more involved than I what

1020
00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:05,030
is extremely interesting about project

1021
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:07,910
condign is that while the final report

1022
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:10,810
has been Declassified and released

1023
00:46:17,470 --> 00:46:14,240
albeit of course in a redacted version

1024
00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:17,480
many of the working papers many of the

1025
00:46:23,260 --> 00:46:19,910
highly technical and scientific working

1026
00:46:27,610 --> 00:46:23,270
papers that went into informing this

1027
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:27,620
study have not been released and John as

1028
00:46:33,550 --> 00:46:30,890
we speak you've actively involved in a

1029
00:46:36,070 --> 00:46:33,560
campaign to try and unlock these

1030
00:46:39,070 --> 00:46:36,080
withheld documents from the Ministry of

1031
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:39,080
Defense and of course on the one hand

1032
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:41,810
everyone is banding around this phrase

1033
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:43,970
if you ask the Ministry of Defense about

1034
00:46:49,630 --> 00:46:46,640
UFOs they'll come out with this glib

1035
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:49,640
soundbite no defense significance and

1036
00:46:53,740 --> 00:46:51,650
yet behind the scenes some of these

1037
00:46:56,350 --> 00:46:53,750
documents are still being withheld under

1038
00:46:59,290 --> 00:46:56,360
the exemptions that Calva categories

1039
00:47:01,450 --> 00:46:59,300
such as defense national security and

1040
00:47:05,530 --> 00:47:01,460
intelligence so we have a disconnect

1041
00:47:08,890 --> 00:47:05,540
here indeed we do John you have some

1042
00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:08,900
insights before we go on yeah yes yes

1043
00:47:13,380 --> 00:47:10,730
some of the things that are going on

1044
00:47:15,490 --> 00:47:13,390
right now is number one the mo D has

1045
00:47:18,910 --> 00:47:15,500
admitted that they're holding back other

1046
00:47:20,770 --> 00:47:18,920
files for further release and it was

1047
00:47:23,470 --> 00:47:20,780
public perception that they had released

1048
00:47:25,630 --> 00:47:23,480
everything they had um you really need

1049
00:47:28,330 --> 00:47:25,640
to go into these papers and look at them

1050
00:47:30,700 --> 00:47:28,340
because it goes into details if you look

1051
00:47:32,350 --> 00:47:30,710
at the just of the initial report and I

1052
00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:32,360
think Nick can even add more to this

1053
00:47:36,580 --> 00:47:34,910
it's kind of dumbed down possible

1054
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:36,590
weather phenomenon but when you go into

1055
00:47:40,510 --> 00:47:38,810
certain areas and certain things it'll

1056
00:47:42,940 --> 00:47:40,520
say there's a phenomena it's irrefutable

1057
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:42,950
um the fact that there's been

1058
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:44,570
interaction which is phenomena with

1059
00:47:49,090 --> 00:47:46,490
aircraft possibly leading to aircraft

1060
00:47:51,220 --> 00:47:49,100
being brought down there's all kinds of

1061
00:47:53,860 --> 00:47:51,230
stuff in there now do we want to

1062
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:53,870
categorize this is dangerous that that's

1063
00:47:58,240 --> 00:47:56,810
that's questionable yes it's clear that

1064
00:48:00,070 --> 00:47:58,250
we had an interaction with something

1065
00:48:01,339 --> 00:48:00,080
we've had health issues from it death

1066
00:48:04,609 --> 00:48:01,349
still doesn't mean it's danger

1067
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:04,619
and also there's more questions need to

1068
00:48:08,210 --> 00:48:06,089
be asked of where is it coming from

1069
00:48:09,799 --> 00:48:08,220
how's it getting here if it's coming

1070
00:48:11,420 --> 00:48:09,809
from somewhere else is some of these

1071
00:48:15,950 --> 00:48:11,430
other things there are things in there

1072
00:48:18,469 --> 00:48:15,960
they open up other things but the report

1073
00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:18,479
itself has been kept quiet overall and

1074
00:48:23,509 --> 00:48:20,700
that report really needs to be looked

1075
00:48:25,249 --> 00:48:23,519
dug into deeper by the scientific

1076
00:48:27,259 --> 00:48:25,259
community and more questions need to be

1077
00:48:29,299 --> 00:48:27,269
asked and when I have asked certain

1078
00:48:31,249 --> 00:48:29,309
questions what's very interesting is the

1079
00:48:33,739 --> 00:48:31,259
end of the day they claim notices of

1080
00:48:35,450 --> 00:48:33,749
Defense significance but there are

1081
00:48:37,279 --> 00:48:35,460
certain areas that are redacted and when

1082
00:48:39,650 --> 00:48:37,289
you ask them about them they say they're

1083
00:48:41,089 --> 00:48:39,660
being withheld for defense purposes so

1084
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:41,099
they're talking on both sides of their

1085
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,559
mouth yes behavior right this is not

1086
00:48:50,539 --> 00:48:48,720
defense significance it's tough to still

1087
00:48:52,729 --> 00:48:50,549
redacted every single thing that I've

1088
00:48:55,039 --> 00:48:52,739
asked to have that stuff sent to me now

1089
00:48:57,229 --> 00:48:55,049
or clarification on they've went ahead

1090
00:49:00,019 --> 00:48:57,239
and said that there will not release it

1091
00:49:02,390 --> 00:49:00,029
because of defense nature defense

1092
00:49:05,269 --> 00:49:02,400
offensive defensive different things and

1093
00:49:07,999 --> 00:49:05,279
they category just differently on top of

1094
00:49:09,529 --> 00:49:08,009
the fact these files that supposedly are

1095
00:49:11,569 --> 00:49:09,539
being held back they won't even give

1096
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:11,579
them to me they say they have to be

1097
00:49:14,989 --> 00:49:13,440
redacted first and they'll be released

1098
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:14,999
within the next year to year and a half

1099
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:17,729
so again I think there's more things

1100
00:49:20,779 --> 00:49:19,410
than it can cover on this because he

1101
00:49:22,969 --> 00:49:20,789
knows that report better than I do

1102
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,979
overall I'm still breaking it down and

1103
00:49:27,049 --> 00:49:24,960
still working on it but there's a lot to

1104
00:49:28,969 --> 00:49:27,059
this and this is important let me go

1105
00:49:31,700 --> 00:49:28,979
back here incident for a moment John

1106
00:49:34,819 --> 00:49:31,710
just to clarify a few things okay well

1107
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:34,829
you came up close to the UFO I recall

1108
00:49:41,329 --> 00:49:38,729
you touched it am i Jim did Jim did

1109
00:49:44,259 --> 00:49:41,339
right okay did he suffer similar

1110
00:49:47,059 --> 00:49:44,269
symptoms Jim has been pretty

1111
00:49:48,529 --> 00:49:47,069
closed-mouthed about problems he had but

1112
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:48,539
he did say he's had some medical issues

1113
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:51,119
I believe I've heard him talk briefly

1114
00:49:55,039 --> 00:49:52,410
about he did have a heart problem

1115
00:49:57,229 --> 00:49:55,049
afterwards he's had some vision bird ego

1116
00:49:59,569 --> 00:49:57,239
and stuff like that problems but he's

1117
00:50:01,609 --> 00:49:59,579
been more you know close to the cuff

1118
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:01,619
line exactly what his problems were so

1119
00:50:08,329 --> 00:50:04,650
how long were you exposed to the UFO

1120
00:50:10,190 --> 00:50:08,339
meaning you were close to it all I

1121
00:50:12,979 --> 00:50:10,200
remember is getting close to it then it

1122
00:50:14,510 --> 00:50:12,989
was gone we had some missing time which

1123
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:14,520
was 45 minutes

1124
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:16,650
and stuff so we could have been around

1125
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:20,960
it you know up to 45 minutes possibly

1126
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:23,850
did you ever submit yourself to hypnotic

1127
00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:26,370
regression to try to figure out if you

1128
00:50:31,220 --> 00:50:27,510
could recover some of those lost

1129
00:50:33,290 --> 00:50:31,230
memories yes hypnosis is a more than one

1130
00:50:37,340 --> 00:50:33,300
occasion and what have you determined

1131
00:50:39,770 --> 00:50:37,350
well the hypnosis is very disturbing to

1132
00:50:41,690 --> 00:50:39,780
me because there are a lot of things

1133
00:50:44,890 --> 00:50:41,700
that come out under hypnosis just by

1134
00:50:47,660 --> 00:50:44,900
asking a question that I don't remember

1135
00:50:51,410 --> 00:50:47,670
but under hypnosis things start to

1136
00:50:53,540 --> 00:50:51,420
become clearer and and I like to stress

1137
00:50:55,850 --> 00:50:53,550
this under hypnosis is clear there was

1138
00:50:58,100 --> 00:50:55,860
an interaction both on the first and the

1139
00:51:00,320 --> 00:50:58,110
third night it was with what I call the

1140
00:51:02,990 --> 00:51:00,330
phenomena and there was all kinds of

1141
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:03,000
strange things that went on oh boy I

1142
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:04,890
want to ask a hundred questions about

1143
00:51:10,210 --> 00:51:08,640
fatness well let me get into this in a

1144
00:51:12,860 --> 00:51:10,220
moment because we have to do our break

1145
00:51:15,890 --> 00:51:12,870
John Burroughs US Air Force retired

1146
00:51:18,590 --> 00:51:15,900
joining us with Nick Pope both our

1147
00:51:21,940 --> 00:51:18,600
authors have encounter in Rendlesham

1148
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:21,950
forest John has just raised the point of

1149
00:51:27,290 --> 00:51:24,720
interactions with the phenomenon more

1150
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:27,300
questions with Gene and Christian the

1151
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1152
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1190
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welcome back into the para cast the gold

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1192
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:12,339
here's Jane Steinberg on the para cast

1193
00:54:15,810 --> 00:54:13,599
with Gene and Chris we have John

1194
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:15,820
Burroughs Nick Pope talking about

1195
00:54:20,970 --> 00:54:18,970
Rendlesham forest okay we're trying to

1196
00:54:23,089 --> 00:54:20,980
discuss the memories of hypnotic

1197
00:54:25,530 --> 00:54:23,099
regression with John Burroughs

1198
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:25,540
interactions with the phenomena or

1199
00:54:31,370 --> 00:54:28,089
phenomenon since it's a singular alright

1200
00:54:36,270 --> 00:54:31,380
do you recall any beings or creatures

1201
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:36,280
just the craft it appears under hypnosis

1202
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:39,609
there there's not a real mention of a

1203
00:54:47,069 --> 00:54:42,640
craft there's not a mention of beans but

1204
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:47,079
the phenomena itself is intelligent so

1205
00:54:52,140 --> 00:54:49,839
there what I'm trying to get at is the

1206
00:54:55,230 --> 00:54:52,150
actual phenomenon and the little blue

1207
00:54:59,609 --> 00:54:55,240
lights are the intelligence but it's an

1208
00:55:04,410 --> 00:54:59,619
energy not a not like a being as most

1209
00:55:07,020 --> 00:55:04,420
people say so besides the papers then

1210
00:55:09,559 --> 00:55:07,030
under hypnosis there does appear to be

1211
00:55:12,059 --> 00:55:09,569
an interaction with it - impossible

1212
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:12,069
telepathic contact and stuff that went

1213
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:14,650
on but I stress this is hypnosis not

1214
00:55:19,230 --> 00:55:17,050
what I remember okay so undergoing this

1215
00:55:22,410 --> 00:55:19,240
experience didn't bring to your

1216
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:22,420
conscious existence these memories no I

1217
00:55:28,290 --> 00:55:26,079
mean I I'm real careful see hypnosis a

1218
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:28,300
lot of people argue it's it's hard what

1219
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:29,920
to deal with it's clear under my

1220
00:55:34,290 --> 00:55:32,319
hypnosis the majority of the time I'm

1221
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:34,300
not being led or anything else I'm

1222
00:55:39,359 --> 00:55:37,210
clearly I'm asked a question and then I

1223
00:55:44,010 --> 00:55:39,369
go forward what I remember what goes on

1224
00:55:45,870 --> 00:55:44,020
but I don't remember it vividly after

1225
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:45,880
the hypnosis I just know it came out

1226
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:48,160
under hypnosis and to be honest with you

1227
00:55:53,339 --> 00:55:50,530
it the stuff under hypnosis is really

1228
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:53,349
hard to deal with because you look at it

1229
00:55:58,260 --> 00:55:55,450
and you go wow and then and then what

1230
00:56:00,000 --> 00:55:58,270
really disturbed me is after I got a

1231
00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:00,010
hold these papers and started looking

1232
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:01,569
into him and start doing research on him

1233
00:56:05,710 --> 00:56:04,240
some of the papers actually support what

1234
00:56:08,540 --> 00:56:05,720
comes out under hypnosis

1235
00:56:10,850 --> 00:56:08,550
interesting how so how did they support

1236
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:10,860
I mean about the phenomena it being an

1237
00:56:15,530 --> 00:56:13,050
energy that you know there is an

1238
00:56:17,180 --> 00:56:15,540
interaction if you break it down that's

1239
00:56:18,740 --> 00:56:17,190
why I Nick I wish would break it down a

1240
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:18,750
little bit more because he's covered it

1241
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:20,010
more he had a lot to do with the whole

1242
00:56:23,870 --> 00:56:21,930
report being done released but there

1243
00:56:26,180 --> 00:56:23,880
clears to be something to it it's it's

1244
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:26,190
it's it's irrefutable that it exists

1245
00:56:30,170 --> 00:56:27,930
it's irrefutable that has had

1246
00:56:33,380 --> 00:56:30,180
interactions even with aircraft and it

1247
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:33,390
stuffs went on and what my hypnosis is

1248
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:35,280
telling me is what these papers are

1249
00:56:40,190 --> 00:56:38,370
saying now the big problem is is what is

1250
00:56:42,830 --> 00:56:40,200
it for sure where does it come from is

1251
00:56:45,530 --> 00:56:42,840
it capable of interstellar travel you

1252
00:56:47,540 --> 00:56:45,540
know and think of it this way in these

1253
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:47,550
papers it goes into the fact that all

1254
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:48,810
the governments of the world the major

1255
00:56:53,330 --> 00:56:50,970
ones are interested in this they're

1256
00:56:56,030 --> 00:56:53,340
looking at it to be used as weapons the

1257
00:56:58,520 --> 00:56:56,040
China Russia America Britain everything

1258
00:57:00,740 --> 00:56:58,530
within the papers itself it says they're

1259
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:00,750
looking at it how can evade radar then

1260
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:02,850
beyond radar how could come and go

1261
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:04,890
different things that it can do and if

1262
00:57:08,450 --> 00:57:06,450
you look at that even some of the

1263
00:57:10,430 --> 00:57:08,460
technology we're now having the ability

1264
00:57:12,410 --> 00:57:10,440
to do including there was a working

1265
00:57:14,930 --> 00:57:12,420
paper out saying there's going to be a

1266
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:14,940
day when soldiers will be able to

1267
00:57:18,770 --> 00:57:17,130
communicate telepathically all this

1268
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:18,780
stuff could very well be coming from

1269
00:57:22,250 --> 00:57:20,640
this this phenomena which the

1270
00:57:24,650 --> 00:57:22,260
governments are aware of and they're not

1271
00:57:26,570 --> 00:57:24,660
talking openly about it to the public

1272
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:26,580
it's being kept under the black world

1273
00:57:31,370 --> 00:57:29,250
and the white world the white science

1274
00:57:34,070 --> 00:57:31,380
isn't working with there's a lot to this

1275
00:57:36,740 --> 00:57:34,080
and it's hard to digest somewhat and

1276
00:57:39,020 --> 00:57:36,750
Nick has a better background in this and

1277
00:57:41,330 --> 00:57:39,030
I do but it's there and it just seems to

1278
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:41,340
constantly be overlooked I want to ask

1279
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:43,200
Nick about that in a moment just remind

1280
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:43,890
our listeners

1281
00:57:49,940 --> 00:57:47,250
you know sometimes sci-fi kind of gives

1282
00:57:53,570 --> 00:57:49,950
you ideas about our real life of course

1283
00:57:57,830 --> 00:57:53,580
it was a cult TV series called Farscape

1284
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:57,840
in the late 90s early 2000s and one of

1285
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:00,960
the spacecraft used in the show was a

1286
00:58:06,500 --> 00:58:04,170
living creature itself was itself a

1287
00:58:09,710 --> 00:58:06,510
living creature capable of interstellar

1288
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:09,720
travel so there you go Nick you had some

1289
00:58:14,060 --> 00:58:11,370
more information to amplify what John

1290
00:58:16,490 --> 00:58:14,070
said yes just building on a couple of

1291
00:58:18,490 --> 00:58:16,500
the points that John first raised there

1292
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:18,500
I am in relation to

1293
00:58:24,700 --> 00:58:21,770
kind of missing time and exposure to

1294
00:58:27,130 --> 00:58:24,710
radiation again if I can just read a

1295
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:27,140
couple of direct quotes strong the

1296
00:58:32,260 --> 00:58:29,330
project condign final report I think

1297
00:58:34,750 --> 00:58:32,270
this might help first reads an important

1298
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:34,760
fact is that the reporting effect of

1299
00:58:40,180 --> 00:58:38,240
presumed UAP radiation on humans is that

1300
00:58:42,970 --> 00:58:40,190
it is quick acting and remembered

1301
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:42,980
although curiously following the event

1302
00:58:48,130 --> 00:58:45,170
there is little or no recall of events

1303
00:58:51,610 --> 00:58:48,140
as a continuum in short the witness

1304
00:58:54,070 --> 00:58:51,620
often reports apparent gaps or lost time

1305
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:54,080
often not accounting for up to several

1306
00:59:00,910 --> 00:58:57,410
hours it is described as if the exposure

1307
00:59:01,900 --> 00:59:00,920
causes a temporary memory erasure so

1308
00:59:03,790 --> 00:59:01,910
that's the first one

1309
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:03,800
the second one I want to pick up on is

1310
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:07,130
John's point about weaponization again

1311
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:09,890
this is a really important point about

1312
00:59:15,850 --> 00:59:12,890
project condign but the media in the UFO

1313
00:59:17,580 --> 00:59:15,860
community completely missed through just

1314
00:59:20,890 --> 00:59:17,590
skimming through the executive summary

1315
00:59:23,830 --> 00:59:20,900
essentially but buried rather deeper in

1316
00:59:26,170 --> 00:59:23,840
the paper one reads this there is

1317
00:59:27,970 --> 00:59:26,180
evidence that scientists in the former

1318
00:59:30,850 --> 00:59:27,980
Soviet Union have taken a particular

1319
00:59:33,010 --> 00:59:30,860
interest in UFO phenomena they have

1320
00:59:35,860 --> 00:59:33,020
identified the close connection with

1321
00:59:37,930 --> 00:59:35,870
plasma technologies and the pursuing

1322
00:59:41,350 --> 00:59:37,940
related techniques for potential

1323
00:59:44,670 --> 00:59:41,360
military purposes for example very high

1324
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:44,680
power energy generation RF weapons

1325
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:48,290
impulse radars air vehicle dragon radar

1326
00:59:53,590 --> 00:59:50,330
signature reduction or control and

1327
00:59:55,330 --> 00:59:53,600
possibly for radar reflecting decoys in

1328
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:55,340
other words when it talks about RF

1329
01:00:00,000 --> 00:59:57,050
weapons we are talking directed-energy

1330
01:00:03,790 --> 01:00:00,010
weapons radio frequency weapons and

1331
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:03,800
indeed that turned into one of the

1332
01:00:09,250 --> 01:00:07,010
recommendations of the entire study and

1333
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:09,260
it read the relevance of plasma and

1334
01:00:14,380 --> 01:00:11,930
magnetic fields to you AP was an

1335
01:00:17,020 --> 01:00:14,390
unexpected feature of the study it is

1336
01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:17,030
recommended that further investigations

1337
01:00:21,820 --> 01:00:19,280
should be undertaken into the

1338
01:00:25,570 --> 01:00:21,830
applicability of various characteristics

1339
01:00:27,130 --> 01:00:25,580
in various novel military applications

1340
01:00:28,990 --> 01:00:27,140
and that's a direct quote

1341
01:00:32,529 --> 01:00:29,000
now it's those novel military

1342
01:00:34,509 --> 01:00:32,539
applications but of course our driving

1343
01:00:37,749 --> 01:00:34,519
fact that much of this is still

1344
01:00:39,609 --> 01:00:37,759
classified because if the the R&D world

1345
01:00:42,279 --> 01:00:39,619
of the research and development world

1346
01:00:45,339 --> 01:00:42,289
not just in government of course but

1347
01:00:48,130 --> 01:00:45,349
critically in defense corporations and

1348
01:00:50,769 --> 01:00:48,140
aerospace firms are working on this in

1349
01:00:53,259 --> 01:00:50,779
terms of developing new technologies and

1350
01:00:54,749 --> 01:00:53,269
new capabilities that of course is going

1351
01:00:57,370 --> 01:00:54,759
to be highly sensitive and classified

1352
01:01:00,900 --> 01:00:57,380
you know from what you say that implies

1353
01:01:03,519 --> 01:01:00,910
they must have access to one of these

1354
01:01:06,159 --> 01:01:03,529
whatever they are one of these UFOs or

1355
01:01:08,019 --> 01:01:06,169
you ApS or whatever because just having

1356
01:01:10,059 --> 01:01:08,029
something which is here and gone again

1357
01:01:11,439 --> 01:01:10,069
how does that influence research

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wouldn't you want to have some kind of

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hands-on can they have a hands-on I

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01:01:19,719 --> 01:01:17,539
don't know yes what you say has has an

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01:01:21,969 --> 01:01:19,729
absolute logic to it but I have no

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01:01:25,299 --> 01:01:21,979
knowledge of whether that's true or not

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01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:25,309
in terms of an actual capability that

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that somewhere in government

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01:01:34,329 --> 01:01:31,189
ok Rendlesham it's nearly 34 years ago

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01:01:38,289 --> 01:01:34,339
is there a more recent equivalent

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01:01:40,689 --> 01:01:38,299
sighting by itself no this pretty

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01:01:43,620 --> 01:01:40,699
standalone gene that's why I was wide

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01:01:47,979 --> 01:01:43,630
asked for the sake of our listeners yeah

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this case to me it's really you know one

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01:01:52,899 --> 01:01:50,479
of the kind and I know I've upset quite

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01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:52,909
a few people in the UFO community by by

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01:01:57,099 --> 01:01:54,650
saying this case is bigger and more

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01:02:00,909 --> 01:01:57,109
important than Roswell what I really

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01:02:03,459 --> 01:02:00,919
meant by that was was obviously a big

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01:02:06,399 --> 01:02:03,469
factor there is just the recent mists of

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01:02:09,249 --> 01:02:06,409
this in terms of if you wanted now to do

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a cold case review of Roswell pretty

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01:02:14,739 --> 01:02:12,319
much all the primary witnesses are dead

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whereas with Rendlesham they're not so I

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mean self-evident Lee you are much

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01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:22,549
better able to be into this and but

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nephew you're running the risk of the

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villagers grabbing their torches and

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01:02:32,799 --> 01:02:30,079
coming after you would pitch for its boy

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if you start yeah

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they have already and you know one of

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the reasons for this I think it's

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01:02:41,079 --> 01:02:39,109
actually quite interesting is that I

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01:02:43,659 --> 01:02:41,089
think we've managed to upset just about

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everyone with this book the skeptics of

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01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:45,390
course don't like it because

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you know with with particularly the

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material on project condign it is

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01:02:55,250 --> 01:02:52,830
undeniable that this is a real

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phenomenon of some sort and that

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government do take it extremely

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seriously

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despite the denials on the other hand

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the believers the true believers don't

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like the book either because I think

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they've maybe looked to Jim and John

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almost to be I don't know poster boys

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for this subject but they won't be led

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and actually they're pretty skeptical

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about well this is not necessarily

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extraterrestrials coming to visit us and

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of course that's not what the true

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believers want to hear they don't

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necessarily want to hear about exotic

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you probably know Nick the parrot s is

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one of the few radio shows that covers

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UFOs where we don't assume that you are

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those are spaceships a healthy and

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refreshing approach because I think

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anything else is conclusion led and

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actually this kind of insistence that we

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01:08:40,749 --> 01:08:37,699
must be dealing with with aliens so

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01:08:43,809 --> 01:08:40,759
lines most of the UFO community that

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that the moment people like Jim and John

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01:08:48,399 --> 01:08:46,429
come up with something and then then it

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01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:48,409
maybe takes you to a different and are

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01:08:52,839 --> 01:08:50,449
you please brought the more interesting

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01:08:54,999 --> 01:08:52,849
area people kind of don't want to hear

1534
01:08:57,970 --> 01:08:55,009
and and the irony is that we get accused

1535
01:09:00,099 --> 01:08:57,980
of being debunkers of this and I've seen

1536
01:09:02,410 --> 01:09:00,109
more than one review of the book where

1537
01:09:04,930 --> 01:09:02,420
it's been suggested the whole birds and

1538
01:09:07,959 --> 01:09:04,940
Jim John and myself the part of some

1539
01:09:12,129 --> 01:09:07,969
sinister CIA disinformation campaign

1540
01:09:15,789 --> 01:09:12,139
blah blah blah yeah well obviously he

1541
01:09:17,589 --> 01:09:15,799
hadn't read the book there's just too

1542
01:09:21,099 --> 01:09:17,599
much I mean the book is just so

1543
01:09:22,890 --> 01:09:21,109
meticulously researched and laid out and

1544
01:09:25,839 --> 01:09:22,900
one of the things that really struck me

1545
01:09:29,620 --> 01:09:25,849
about the incident it's something that

1546
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:29,630
was not known immediately afterwards at

1547
01:09:34,149 --> 01:09:31,489
least as soon as a public found out

1548
01:09:36,129 --> 01:09:34,159
about the case and that was Jim's for

1549
01:09:38,169 --> 01:09:36,139
some reason he got a communication that

1550
01:09:40,329 --> 01:09:38,179
compelled him to write down in his

1551
01:09:43,870 --> 01:09:40,339
little notebook which he reproduce in

1552
01:09:46,450 --> 01:09:43,880
the book I page by page by page a series

1553
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:46,460
of binary code that goes on for page

1554
01:09:51,010 --> 01:09:48,799
after page after page John why don't you

1555
01:09:52,930 --> 01:09:51,020
give our new listeners of a little bit

1556
01:09:55,029 --> 01:09:52,940
of background on this particular aspect

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01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:55,039
of the case and then then we can follow

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01:10:00,189 --> 01:09:57,170
up and find out about any sort of

1559
01:10:01,899 --> 01:10:00,199
reverse engineering of the code and what

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01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:01,909
that code might say what we've learned

1561
01:10:08,470 --> 01:10:05,449
about it sure basically because you know

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it came out when we were working on

1563
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:10,730
a 30-year anniversary going back over

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01:10:15,490 --> 01:10:13,130
there trying to go back together trying

1565
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:15,500
to get more people involved and we were

1566
01:10:20,290 --> 01:10:18,410
actually doing a piece with it's a

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01:10:23,260 --> 01:10:20,300
series called ancient aliens Prometheus

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01:10:26,020 --> 01:10:23,270
entertainment they um originally before

1569
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:26,030
that codes came out we're going to just

1570
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:29,090
do a 15 20 minute clip on Rendlesham

1571
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:31,970
within an act - an hour piece Nick where

1572
01:10:35,470 --> 01:10:34,010
they had been interviewed Colonel Hall I

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01:10:37,420 --> 01:10:35,480
believe and some other people been

1574
01:10:39,070 --> 01:10:37,430
interviewed cluding another guy was

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01:10:41,860 --> 01:10:39,080
involved in an incident it was called

1576
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:41,870
the Cox for Cosford incident which some

1577
01:10:47,350 --> 01:10:44,090
has a little bit of parallels to ours

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01:10:50,380 --> 01:10:47,360
Nick knows about but anyway when we were

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01:10:51,670 --> 01:10:50,390
doing the filming in Phoenix we're going

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through the note but get talking about

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it and then all of a sudden these zeros

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and ones were there I like what's that

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01:10:59,140 --> 01:10:56,989
and from there what happened was

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everybody comes rushing over the people

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that were there Linda Moulton Howe and

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the producers or the people that were

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working on it knew it was binary and it

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took off from there and what had

1589
01:11:10,630 --> 01:11:08,840
happened after that was they started

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talking to him about that then they

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asked him if he could take some of it

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01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:15,050
themselves and have it analyzed because

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Jim was said right there on the spot he

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didn't think it meant that much he

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didn't know what it was and he said

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basically here you go take a look at it

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I don't think it's gonna mean anything I

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swear I never really said anything about

1599
01:11:30,430 --> 01:11:27,230
it so they ran it and they came back

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with you know a coordinates which people

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say it could either be hi Brazil Wow in

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the ocean by Ireland aura asking

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01:11:40,570 --> 01:11:37,460
Woodbridge town center but they did come

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up with the coordinates and us message

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01:11:46,180 --> 01:11:43,970
so they went ahead beknownst to me

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especially till the end and I'm not sure

1607
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how much Jim was kept abreast they went

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ahead made a whole show on it and I

1609
01:11:53,950 --> 01:11:52,400
always had trouble with it because as

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soon as I saw where they were going with

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this they basically had Jim looking like

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he was the Messiah that he received a

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01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:00,920
message you know and everything else and

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01:12:04,930 --> 01:12:03,530
then if you go into the book all the

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01:12:06,190 --> 01:12:04,940
coordinates were laid out their

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01:12:09,010 --> 01:12:06,200
different coordinates around the world

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01:12:12,820 --> 01:12:09,020
and there's even more of a message there

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01:12:16,090 --> 01:12:12,830
so he touched this felt like he had a

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download on Saturday morning they kept

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filling it run through his mind so he

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01:12:22,180 --> 01:12:20,180
sat down wrote it down once he wrote it

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01:12:23,380 --> 01:12:22,190
down he felt better didn't want to

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01:12:24,729 --> 01:12:23,390
tell anybody about it because he was

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01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:24,739
concerned at that point which I can

1625
01:12:28,270 --> 01:12:26,810
understand you go telling people you had

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01:12:30,910 --> 01:12:28,280
these ones deserves you writing it down

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01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:30,920
you're gonna get really you're gonna you

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01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:32,210
know you're gonna go to psychologists

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they're gonna start checking you out and

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at that point your career could be over

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because they're gonna have to decide

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whether that's important or not and if

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it is your career is not gonna go much

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farther so that's the gist of you know

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01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:46,219
the fact that he touched it felt like he

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had a download a flash of light a

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download wrote it down then

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01:12:57,850 --> 01:12:53,420
Prometheus took it looked at it they

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01:13:00,370 --> 01:12:57,860
made interpretation of hi Brazil and the

1640
01:13:02,530 --> 01:13:00,380
you know the initial messages then it

1641
01:13:04,959 --> 01:13:02,540
went out as a whole show which I don't

1642
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:04,969
think was fair I mean I understand it

1643
01:13:09,550 --> 01:13:07,850
put it out but it really implied it he

1644
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:09,560
had some kind of interaction for sure

1645
01:13:14,530 --> 01:13:11,840
and you know it just didn't wasn't very

1646
01:13:16,330 --> 01:13:14,540
well done to me then it was deciphered

1647
01:13:17,620 --> 01:13:16,340
more Linda Moulton Howe I had a couple

1648
01:13:18,430 --> 01:13:17,630
people I believe the one guy's right

1649
01:13:19,959 --> 01:13:18,440
read colleague

1650
01:13:21,340 --> 01:13:19,969
another guy can't remember his name but

1651
01:13:23,410 --> 01:13:21,350
he's in North Carolina unfortunately

1652
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:23,420
passed then another guy by the name Jose

1653
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:25,370
Janos looked at it and that's where

1654
01:13:29,229 --> 01:13:26,960
you'll get the whole message of what it

1655
01:13:31,630 --> 01:13:29,239
was what does that message say in a

1656
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:31,640
nutshell I mean I don't have in front of

1657
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:33,890
me right now Nick do you yes I do the

1658
01:13:39,550 --> 01:13:36,370
text portion essentially says

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01:13:42,330 --> 01:13:39,560
exploration of humanity continuous for

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01:13:47,170 --> 01:13:42,340
planetary advance eyes of your eyes

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01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:47,180
origin year 8100 there are then in

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01:13:51,959 --> 01:13:49,520
between those text portions there are

1663
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:51,969
the latitude and longitudes which

1664
01:13:57,850 --> 01:13:55,010
coincide with a number of sites which

1665
01:14:00,910 --> 01:13:57,860
are certainly significant an interesting

1666
01:14:02,939 --> 01:14:00,920
site to the Temple of Apollo in Naxos in

1667
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:02,949
Greece the Great Pyramid in Giza

1668
01:14:10,209 --> 01:14:07,010
Sedona in Arizona the mask our lines in

1669
01:14:13,930 --> 01:14:10,219
Peru so I think an awful lot of people

1670
01:14:16,770 --> 01:14:13,940
have looked at this and and kind of put

1671
01:14:19,870 --> 01:14:16,780
their own interpretation on this I think

1672
01:14:22,270 --> 01:14:19,880
there's a danger of being very answer

1673
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:22,280
eccentric with this and I think people

1674
01:14:27,810 --> 01:14:24,290
see what they want to see yeah

1675
01:14:30,330 --> 01:14:27,820
especially TV production companies in

1676
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:30,340
well that kind of begs the question John

1677
01:14:34,770 --> 01:14:33,250
you're you moved to Sedona Arizona did

1678
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:34,780
that have anything to do with the

1679
01:14:40,110 --> 01:14:37,330
coordinates as they were interpreted in

1680
01:14:42,330 --> 01:14:40,120
the binary code well I mean I was

1681
01:14:44,340 --> 01:14:42,340
curious I've been up to the site what's

1682
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:44,350
interesting this red collie guy that did

1683
01:14:48,780 --> 01:14:46,810
some inner work on it and now I got all

1684
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:48,790
the stuff he says he feels us down in

1685
01:14:53,790 --> 01:14:51,130
Montezuma wells which is a another

1686
01:14:56,010 --> 01:14:53,800
burial site stuff out south of Sedona

1687
01:14:58,590 --> 01:14:56,020
most about three miles from my house

1688
01:15:01,170 --> 01:14:58,600
right right he feels that's the location

1689
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:01,180
which is what we wanted we wanted us to

1690
01:15:04,050 --> 01:15:02,770
put out and have people and scientific

1691
01:15:06,660 --> 01:15:04,060
people start looking at it

1692
01:15:08,190 --> 01:15:06,670
I've always felt because of the ways is

1693
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:08,200
there might even be more to it if you

1694
01:15:12,390 --> 01:15:09,610
look at it differently even another

1695
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:12,400
message but Sedona ultimately came down

1696
01:15:15,540 --> 01:15:14,080
to my son wanted to get out of the

1697
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:15,550
valley and tried to school up here and

1698
01:15:19,980 --> 01:15:17,650
stuff and yeah it was cool to be up here

1699
01:15:21,540 --> 01:15:19,990
too and you know I could look into it a

1700
01:15:22,770 --> 01:15:21,550
little closer unfortunately I got sick

1701
01:15:24,210 --> 01:15:22,780
right after he moved up here so I

1702
01:15:26,940 --> 01:15:24,220
couldn't do some of the stuff I wanted

1703
01:15:29,550 --> 01:15:26,950
but directly no but indirectly yeah

1704
01:15:30,990 --> 01:15:29,560
there was something to I you know it was

1705
01:15:35,820 --> 01:15:31,000
cool to be able to come up here for a

1706
01:15:38,250 --> 01:15:35,830
while so so mano zoom as well is more of

1707
01:15:41,490 --> 01:15:38,260
the I guess the the thinking of the

1708
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:41,500
analysts that that would be the analyst

1709
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:43,210
feels that way red call he's the one

1710
01:15:46,620 --> 01:15:44,770
that looked at it originally and didn't

1711
01:15:48,990 --> 01:15:46,630
get all the data but now that he's had

1712
01:15:50,970 --> 01:15:49,000
it he feels it could be down there now

1713
01:15:52,050 --> 01:15:50,980
is saying that that's the important part

1714
01:15:54,390 --> 01:15:52,060
of this there's different

1715
01:15:56,490 --> 01:15:54,400
interpretations being made yeah about it

1716
01:15:58,830 --> 01:15:56,500
and ultimately it needs to be put

1717
01:16:01,470 --> 01:15:58,840
together I don't you know I really do

1718
01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:01,480
feel that and I've always felt these

1719
01:16:05,550 --> 01:16:03,760
coordinates don't necessarily mean that

1720
01:16:08,070 --> 01:16:05,560
ground the dirt is important but it's

1721
01:16:09,480 --> 01:16:08,080
the area itself like if you look at

1722
01:16:11,490 --> 01:16:09,490
what's interesting to me about the

1723
01:16:13,260 --> 01:16:11,500
Temple of Apollo is there's an island

1724
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:13,270
not very far away from that

1725
01:16:18,300 --> 01:16:16,210
that's where revelations right now you

1726
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go to I yes and if you go to eyes of

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your eyes that can be interpreted

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parsley as Jesus Christ we've got more

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Coalition for freedom of information and

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you are listening to the podcast on the

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power cast with John Burroughs and Nick

1838
01:21:06,939 --> 01:21:04,250
Pope Chris was about to respond to

1839
01:21:09,850 --> 01:21:06,949
John's comments Chris yeah Montezuma's

1840
01:21:12,490 --> 01:21:09,860
well is a pretty important sacred site

1841
01:21:15,669 --> 01:21:12,500
to the hopi in fact the butterfly clan

1842
01:21:18,339 --> 01:21:15,679
does a a pilgrimage there every year and

1843
01:21:20,859 --> 01:21:18,349
I just find it very interesting because

1844
01:21:22,689 --> 01:21:20,869
if I go just to the top of my hill about

1845
01:21:25,570 --> 01:21:22,699
a block away and look I can see the rim

1846
01:21:28,419 --> 01:21:25,580
of Montezuma's well from I'm just a

1847
01:21:31,649 --> 01:21:28,429
couple blocks from my house so uh that's

1848
01:21:34,270 --> 01:21:31,659
a neat little eye-opener for me today

1849
01:21:37,540 --> 01:21:34,280
well how's that fire doing up there as

1850
01:21:40,870 --> 01:21:37,550
we're as we are taping this show on on

1851
01:21:42,729 --> 01:21:40,880
Thursday we have about a 5,000 acre fire

1852
01:21:44,950 --> 01:21:42,739
that's taken out the west side of Oak

1853
01:21:48,100 --> 01:21:44,960
Creek Canyon I'm about the halfway point

1854
01:21:50,260 --> 01:21:48,110
all the way up and over the rim and it

1855
01:21:53,050 --> 01:21:50,270
seems like it might be headed towards

1856
01:21:55,330 --> 01:21:53,060
Flagstaff any news on that fire John

1857
01:21:57,189 --> 01:21:55,340
well I think I've heard yeah this winds

1858
01:21:59,260 --> 01:21:57,199
to calm down they're going after it and

1859
01:22:01,359 --> 01:21:59,270
it's moving north away from Sedona and

1860
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:01,369
stuff but getting back to those what

1861
01:22:05,229 --> 01:22:03,170
you're saying about that area every one

1862
01:22:08,859 --> 01:22:05,239
of these sites pretty much are sacred

1863
01:22:11,740 --> 01:22:08,869
sites areas their areas that you don't

1864
01:22:14,379 --> 01:22:11,750
have ancient civilizations tied to it I

1865
01:22:16,300 --> 01:22:14,389
mean they just do I mean I mean it would

1866
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:16,310
just be so cool if there would be more

1867
01:22:20,620 --> 01:22:19,130
you know more research done on this you

1868
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:20,630
know open research instead of

1869
01:22:24,790 --> 01:22:22,250
immediately scoffing at discs and

1870
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:24,800
wanting it attacked Jim for not doing it

1871
01:22:29,140 --> 01:22:26,810
for 30 years why don't you take a look

1872
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:29,150
at the data it means something and see

1873
01:22:33,700 --> 01:22:30,650
what you can do with it before you

1874
01:22:36,729 --> 01:22:33,710
attack the guy and go after yeah well so

1875
01:22:37,899 --> 01:22:36,739
it was written down in in a you know in

1876
01:22:39,430 --> 01:22:37,909
other words the evidence chain the

1877
01:22:42,820 --> 01:22:39,440
provenance of that particular notebook

1878
01:22:45,129 --> 01:22:42,830
can be traced back to his to his

1879
01:22:47,020 --> 01:22:45,139
encounter yeah when I looked at the

1880
01:22:48,189 --> 01:22:47,030
notebook you know it was all the pages

1881
01:22:50,589 --> 01:22:48,199
were all the same color

1882
01:22:52,330 --> 01:22:50,599
it was the same colored ink you know it

1883
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went in order you know down the line

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because we were looking at particular

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01:22:57,640 --> 01:22:55,630
date stuff and then it came after

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01:22:59,760 --> 01:22:57,650
initially I'll go ahead and say what

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happened we Jim

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01:23:03,900 --> 01:23:01,390
this just tells me something about his

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01:23:05,460 --> 01:23:03,910
character we had a documentary 2-1

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01:23:08,250 --> 01:23:05,470
something different while back and we

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01:23:10,620 --> 01:23:08,260
said hey why don't you date the paper in

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01:23:12,150 --> 01:23:10,630
ink and they said yeah and this is well

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I want you to know it's gonna cost about

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01:23:16,440 --> 01:23:14,800
five grand to do it the lady doing I

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01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:16,450
don't think had the final approval she

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01:23:20,610 --> 01:23:18,400
got all excited they got ahold of one of

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01:23:22,500 --> 01:23:20,620
the pieces of it they took it and then I

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01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:22,510
was sitting at the end they 86 the

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01:23:27,570 --> 01:23:24,490
actual doing it and we were gonna have

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um his last name is Woods who are the

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01:23:31,380 --> 01:23:29,500
guys that do this kind of stuff right

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01:23:33,480 --> 01:23:31,390
believe it yeah Ryan they were gonna

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01:23:35,550 --> 01:23:33,490
contact them and actually set up a whole

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01:23:38,130 --> 01:23:35,560
thing doing it when they found out the

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01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:38,140
cost of it they backed off and they had

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01:23:42,090 --> 01:23:39,970
somebody look at and say it appears to

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01:23:45,330 --> 01:23:42,100
be dated from that time frame but Jim

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01:23:47,100 --> 01:23:45,340
was released one of the pages of it to

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01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:47,110
them and was going to allow them to do

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01:23:52,410 --> 01:23:49,600
all that so that kind of tells you that

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01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:52,420
you know if he didn't if it wasn't like

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01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:53,890
he said it was you wouldn't have

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01:23:57,720 --> 01:23:55,810
released it and allowed him to do it you

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01:23:59,970 --> 01:23:57,730
know unfortunately the money situation

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01:24:02,640 --> 01:23:59,980
got too cost-prohibitive for this little

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01:24:04,890 --> 01:24:02,650
budget documentary to do it but I can't

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01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:04,900
speak for him now but I bet you if

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01:24:09,150 --> 01:24:06,850
somebody contacted him and was legit

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01:24:11,940 --> 01:24:09,160
about it you might consider it again Wow

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for that to bear out that would be some

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01:24:14,850 --> 01:24:13,390
pretty compelling evidence you're

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01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:14,860
compelled to sit down and write page

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01:24:18,510 --> 01:24:17,530
after page a binary code right and I

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01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:18,520
would have to say it would have to be

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01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:20,050
legit you know what I mean it's yeah I'm

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01:24:24,270 --> 01:24:22,330
gonna custody somebody willing to put

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01:24:25,710 --> 01:24:24,280
the funding up front and do it because

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01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:25,720
he's willing to do it before so I don't

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01:24:30,330 --> 01:24:28,930
see why we're doing no well you know

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01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:30,340
what do you know this is a we got a

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01:24:35,910 --> 01:24:33,040
bunch of questions here for you guys at

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01:24:37,290 --> 01:24:35,920
forum dr. Perik asked accom where we

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01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:37,300
have the question thread where you can

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01:24:41,730 --> 01:24:39,970
ask questions of each week's guest and

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01:24:44,580 --> 01:24:41,740
one of our longtime posters Blowfish

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01:24:47,820 --> 01:24:44,590
he's been here at the pear cast of

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01:24:50,340 --> 01:24:47,830
almost five years now he he just has a

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01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:50,350
general question first of all about what

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01:24:54,330 --> 01:24:52,690
your thoughts are on the impact on

1940
01:24:57,330 --> 01:24:54,340
servicemen and women who encounter these

1941
01:25:01,680 --> 01:24:57,340
events of so called UFO incidents on

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01:25:03,060 --> 01:25:01,690
military bases how have you made an

1943
01:25:05,700 --> 01:25:03,070
attempt to reach out to other people

1944
01:25:07,620 --> 01:25:05,710
that have had similar events for

1945
01:25:11,250 --> 01:25:07,630
instance the Malmstrom Air Force Base

1946
01:25:13,540 --> 01:25:11,260
guys in the missile silos have you dove

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01:25:16,780 --> 01:25:13,550
tailed your your health

1948
01:25:19,750 --> 01:25:16,790
search and and looked into the effect of

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01:25:23,169 --> 01:25:19,760
these events on unwitting service people

1950
01:25:24,459 --> 01:25:23,179
oh yeah but that is an important

1951
01:25:27,549 --> 01:25:24,469
question and that's something that

1952
01:25:30,250 --> 01:25:27,559
should be done um because I think that

1953
01:25:31,930 --> 01:25:30,260
if people will look at the book if they

1954
01:25:33,310 --> 01:25:31,940
will look at more stuff coming out on

1955
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:33,320
condign and what's going on

1956
01:25:37,990 --> 01:25:35,690
maybe they'll realize you know because

1957
01:25:41,049 --> 01:25:38,000
one of the things it says in the Condon

1958
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:41,059
report is when you look at this it can

1959
01:25:45,729 --> 01:25:43,610
make you look at it differently in other

1960
01:25:48,669 --> 01:25:45,739
words you may you're gonna perceive it

1961
01:25:50,830 --> 01:25:48,679
for what you can perceive it as so it

1962
01:25:54,189 --> 01:25:50,840
would help explain some of the different

1963
01:25:55,810 --> 01:25:54,199
things people claim they seen so the

1964
01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:55,820
thing is that's one of the things that

1965
01:25:59,680 --> 01:25:57,530
I'm looking like Nick said looking at it

1966
01:26:01,689 --> 01:25:59,690
closer now working on this and I hope

1967
01:26:03,700 --> 01:26:01,699
people that listen to this and follow

1968
01:26:05,979 --> 01:26:03,710
this start asking some questions too

1969
01:26:07,660 --> 01:26:05,989
because I mean a lot of this stuff

1970
01:26:09,490 --> 01:26:07,670
doesn't necessarily show up right away

1971
01:26:11,919 --> 01:26:09,500
if you got close to it it can take years

1972
01:26:14,530 --> 01:26:11,929
before you start doing a sex of what has

1973
01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:14,540
chosen well we have some other questions

1974
01:26:19,089 --> 01:26:16,880
here Eric the read who's been a poster

1975
01:26:21,459 --> 01:26:19,099
at forum dr. Peric ascom for the past

1976
01:26:22,810 --> 01:26:21,469
year he doesn't post many messages but

1977
01:26:25,629 --> 01:26:22,820
when he does they're usually questions

1978
01:26:28,540 --> 01:26:25,639
for a guess and he wants to know if you

1979
01:26:30,580 --> 01:26:28,550
can explain or give us some insight into

1980
01:26:33,459 --> 01:26:30,590
Colonel Ted Conrad's dismissal of

1981
01:26:35,589 --> 01:26:33,469
anything extraordinary as we related to

1982
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:35,599
this case first maybe give us a little

1983
01:26:40,990 --> 01:26:37,489
thumbnail sketch of who Colonel Conrad

1984
01:26:42,700 --> 01:26:41,000
was and then because I correct me if I'm

1985
01:26:44,649 --> 01:26:42,710
wrong he's one of the few people it is

1986
01:26:47,919 --> 01:26:44,659
like really gone into denial about this

1987
01:26:50,470 --> 01:26:47,929
whole problem that's the perception of

1988
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:50,480
the you of the skeptics III dealt with

1989
01:26:54,010 --> 01:26:52,400
Carl Conrad I sat down face to face with

1990
01:26:56,260 --> 01:26:54,020
him in the last three years

1991
01:26:58,299 --> 01:26:56,270
um what's interesting is is that

1992
01:27:01,390 --> 01:26:58,309
somebody that was contacted and

1993
01:27:03,100 --> 01:27:01,400
contacted me and he's a skeptic and was

1994
01:27:05,229 --> 01:27:03,110
running his big deal about different

1995
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:05,239
things well I got involved and what was

1996
01:27:08,859 --> 01:27:07,130
funny was initially the person the

1997
01:27:10,330 --> 01:27:08,869
contacted me asked me not to even make

1998
01:27:12,700 --> 01:27:10,340
this public and he ended up doing it

1999
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:12,710
down the line anyway but Carl conrad if

2000
01:27:17,740 --> 01:27:14,449
you read the whole jest of what he said

2001
01:27:19,149 --> 01:27:17,750
was he said that first he was on the

2002
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:19,159
record originally when it first came out

2003
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:21,050
saying he did wasn't involved at all did

2004
01:27:23,229 --> 01:27:21,650
say anything

2005
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:23,239
later on he came back and admitted he

2006
01:27:29,610 --> 01:27:26,410
was monitoring a radio but he ultimately

2007
01:27:33,570 --> 01:27:29,620
it could be many things to include even

2008
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:33,580
alien contact so he never really did say

2009
01:27:36,330 --> 01:27:36,010
that he didn't believe it well anything

2010
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:36,340
else

2011
01:27:42,030 --> 01:27:40,090
what he did was skull Colonel halt as an

2012
01:27:44,610 --> 01:27:42,040
officer and a gentleman implying that

2013
01:27:46,980 --> 01:27:44,620
there was a cover-up going on and that's

2014
01:27:48,900 --> 01:27:46,990
what he really did but what he did but

2015
01:27:51,150 --> 01:27:48,910
at the end of the day his final summary

2016
01:27:52,770 --> 01:27:51,160
was saying it could be many things into

2017
01:27:54,480 --> 01:27:52,780
people took the time to investigate it

2018
01:27:55,290 --> 01:27:54,490
and had the money that could maybe put

2019
01:27:57,330 --> 01:27:55,300
it all together

2020
01:27:59,310 --> 01:27:57,340
when I say face to face with him he had

2021
01:28:00,930 --> 01:27:59,320
a bunch of questions for me and I at the

2022
01:28:02,580 --> 01:28:00,940
time I still hadn't worked that much on

2023
01:28:04,620 --> 01:28:02,590
this phenomena or hardly knew about it

2024
01:28:05,940 --> 01:28:04,630
but it made sense some of the questions

2025
01:28:08,790 --> 01:28:05,950
you were asking me and you know what's

2026
01:28:11,430 --> 01:28:08,800
funny if you go in his papers the

2027
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:11,440
military pilots and people in Colonel

2028
01:28:15,660 --> 01:28:12,970
Connor and was the base but he got moved

2029
01:28:18,930 --> 01:28:15,670
up to deputy base or wing and he flew

2030
01:28:20,910 --> 01:28:18,940
there's a correlation to this phenomena

2031
01:28:23,130 --> 01:28:20,920
can interact with aircraft and it's in

2032
01:28:25,170 --> 01:28:23,140
that report and it's caused some issues

2033
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:25,180
before it even says what pilots should

2034
01:28:29,940 --> 01:28:27,850
do if they have an encounter so allies

2035
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:29,950
military guys I think know a lot more

2036
01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:31,210
about it and they want to talk about

2037
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:32,880
especially the officers and the Flyers

2038
01:28:40,410 --> 01:28:35,890
let me follow up quickly here John what

2039
01:28:41,970 --> 01:28:40,420
should a pilot do a UFO can you tell

2040
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:41,980
them because I don't have it directly

2041
01:28:44,850 --> 01:28:43,690
for me and you might be able to because

2042
01:28:46,650 --> 01:28:44,860
I know you brought that up in England

2043
01:28:48,090 --> 01:28:46,660
the last time you went over that you

2044
01:28:54,450 --> 01:28:48,100
felt the MOT should make this more

2045
01:28:57,920 --> 01:28:54,460
public yeah as John said one of the big

2046
01:29:01,140 --> 01:28:57,930
parts of project condign was actually

2047
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:01,150
what it it said about air safety and if

2048
01:29:07,140 --> 01:29:03,850
you just bear with me a moment it

2049
01:29:10,740 --> 01:29:07,150
actually talks about the need for pilots

2050
01:29:14,820 --> 01:29:10,750
to avoid these things it says this again

2051
01:29:18,150 --> 01:29:14,830
is a direct quote no attempt should be

2052
01:29:21,030 --> 01:29:18,160
made to outmaneuver a UAP during

2053
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:21,040
interception I mean as an extraordinary

2054
01:29:24,870 --> 01:29:22,810
quote and then there was a

2055
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:24,880
recommendation it said at higher

2056
01:29:29,220 --> 01:29:26,170
altitudes

2057
01:29:32,010 --> 01:29:29,230
although UAP appear to be benign to

2058
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:32,020
civil air traffic pilots should be

2059
01:29:38,850 --> 01:29:34,930
advised not to maneuver other than to

2060
01:29:41,399 --> 01:29:38,860
place the object astern if possible

2061
01:29:43,859 --> 01:29:41,409
again essentially what it's saying to

2062
01:29:47,070 --> 01:29:43,869
pilots is if you encounter these things

2063
01:29:48,689 --> 01:29:47,080
be careful and don't try and you know

2064
01:29:50,790 --> 01:29:48,699
interact just get out of the way

2065
01:29:53,939 --> 01:29:50,800
maneuver it out of the way whatever it

2066
01:29:56,459 --> 01:29:53,949
is well that sounds pretty sensible yep

2067
01:29:59,870 --> 01:29:56,469
sage advice right just get the heck out

2068
01:30:02,550 --> 01:29:59,880
of the way before something happens and

2069
01:30:04,260 --> 01:30:02,560
that raises all sorts of questions about

2070
01:30:06,540 --> 01:30:04,270
whether something has happened we have

2071
01:30:08,850 --> 01:30:06,550
more questions from our listeners about

2072
01:30:12,169 --> 01:30:08,860
the book encounter in Rendlesham forest

2073
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:12,179
the inside story of the world's best

2074
01:30:17,490 --> 01:30:15,250
documented UFO incident two of the three

2075
01:30:20,970 --> 01:30:17,500
authors are here Nick Pope and John

2076
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:20,980
burrows and we got five more segments to

2077
01:30:25,590 --> 01:30:23,050
cover lots of ground so let's get on

2078
01:30:27,490 --> 01:30:25,600
with it with Gene and Kris you're in the

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01:30:36,350 --> 01:30:27,500
podcast

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01:30:40,140 --> 01:30:36,360
[Music]

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01:30:42,660 --> 01:30:40,150
great minds think alike the network for

2082
01:30:47,340 --> 01:30:42,670
the independent finding the genesis

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01:30:49,050 --> 01:30:47,350
communications network G C and first

2084
01:30:51,090 --> 01:30:49,060
came attack of the rockets and it was a

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01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:51,100
critically acclaimed success and now

2086
01:30:55,170 --> 01:30:53,050
there is the coming of the protectors a

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01:30:57,450 --> 01:30:55,180
former military intelligence man is

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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

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01:31:01,680 --> 01:30:59,290
dream that turns out to be a nightmare

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because evil forces on our distant

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01:31:06,060 --> 01:31:03,730
planet are planning to conquer the earth

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01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:06,070
this is gripping science fiction of the

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01:31:10,590 --> 01:31:08,530
classic kind attack of the rock codes

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and the coming of the protectors find

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out more at rockets calm that's rock oyd

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ruined some special clothing all they

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could do was show us the sign that said

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they weren't responsible but when they

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got the letter from one of our legal

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this is the wrong Clark author of the

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UFO encyclopedia other books you're

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01:35:04,819 --> 01:35:01,240
listening to the podcast

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here on the podcast with Jeanne and

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01:35:10,709 --> 01:35:09,159
Chris we're talking about encounter and

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01:35:12,899 --> 01:35:10,719
Rendlesham forest with Nick Pope and

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01:35:15,809 --> 01:35:12,909
John burrows wine to ask you very

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01:35:18,809 --> 01:35:15,819
quickly Nick did the Ministry of Defense

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01:35:22,139 --> 01:35:18,819
documents indicate any serious level

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01:35:24,149 --> 01:35:22,149
encounters by pilots with UFOs attempts

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01:35:28,229 --> 01:35:24,159
to shoot him down or vice versa

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01:35:29,219 --> 01:35:28,239
well I would not say a shoot down but

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01:35:32,279 --> 01:35:29,229
let me put it this way

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01:35:35,969 --> 01:35:32,289
if you go back in the Ministry of

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01:35:39,509 --> 01:35:35,979
Defense files and indeed in the Civil

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01:35:43,109 --> 01:35:39,519
Aviation Authority files now the CIA is

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01:35:45,119 --> 01:35:43,119
the British equivalent of the FAA you

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01:35:49,129 --> 01:35:45,129
you will find if you go into these files

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01:35:52,229 --> 01:35:49,139
several dozen near-misses between

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01:35:55,829 --> 01:35:52,239
commercial aircraft and UFOs and and

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01:35:58,979 --> 01:35:55,839
some military cases - there has not been

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01:36:02,089 --> 01:35:58,989
as far as I'm aware in the UK any

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01:36:04,289 --> 01:36:02,099
incident where a pilot has actually I

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01:36:07,109 --> 01:36:04,299
correct that yes there has been there

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01:36:08,849 --> 01:36:07,119
there was one shoot down or attempted

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01:36:11,999 --> 01:36:08,859
shoot down which was the case of Milton

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01:36:15,539 --> 01:36:12,009
Torres from 1957 interestingly he was a

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01:36:18,689 --> 01:36:15,549
US pilot on exchange with the RAF he has

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01:36:20,959 --> 01:36:18,699
said that when he was on his exchange -

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01:36:23,849 --> 01:36:20,969
there was a an incident where he was

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intercepted in response to a UFO that

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was being tracked on radar and he was

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01:36:32,789 --> 01:36:29,199
actually ordered to bring it down he got

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a lock on on his airborne radar but

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01:36:39,659 --> 01:36:36,099
before he was able to get to a firing

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01:36:42,899 --> 01:36:39,669
range the UFO suddenly accelerated away

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01:36:45,209 --> 01:36:42,909
at very high mang speed now there are a

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01:36:46,889 --> 01:36:45,219
couple of other cases that you and

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01:36:49,739 --> 01:36:46,899
listeners may be familiar from from

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01:36:53,249 --> 01:36:49,749
overseas the case of Parviz Jafari

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01:36:56,789 --> 01:36:53,259
in iran from 1976 where he attempted to

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01:36:59,029 --> 01:36:56,799
shoot an anti-air missile at a UFO but

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01:37:02,189 --> 01:36:59,039
he was encountering and the case of

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01:37:04,379 --> 01:37:02,199
commandante West has from Peru

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01:37:07,649 --> 01:37:04,389
interestingly 1980 same year as

2224
01:37:09,239 --> 01:37:07,659
Rendlesham he did opened fire on a UFO

2225
01:37:13,469 --> 01:37:09,249
that had strayed into restricted

2226
01:37:15,869 --> 01:37:13,479
military airspace with his cannon the 30

2227
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:15,879
millimeter cannon and the object

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01:37:19,529 --> 01:37:17,650
appeared to absorb the

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01:37:22,529 --> 01:37:19,539
that's the one that's the one very

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01:37:25,709 --> 01:37:22,539
interesting case yes I guess in the UK

2231
01:37:28,709 --> 01:37:25,719
there has been one one alleged attempted

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01:37:32,009 --> 01:37:28,719
shift down but most of the encounters

2233
01:37:33,569 --> 01:37:32,019
are are near misses but no less

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01:37:35,729 --> 01:37:33,579
terrifying of course I mean there are

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01:37:38,490 --> 01:37:35,739
reports again in the Ministry of Defense

2236
01:37:41,069 --> 01:37:38,500
files of pilots shouting look out look

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01:37:43,379 --> 01:37:41,079
out and bracing for impact as these

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01:37:46,919 --> 01:37:43,389
objects or phenomena whatever they are

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01:37:49,709 --> 01:37:46,929
come as they judge it dangerously close

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to their aircraft and indeed even now

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01:37:55,410 --> 01:37:52,539
following the termination of the mo DS

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01:37:57,830 --> 01:37:55,420
UFO project in 2009 of course these

2243
01:38:01,919 --> 01:37:57,840
cases haven't stopped and and in recent

2244
01:38:04,979 --> 01:38:01,929
months I think two or three new cases

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01:38:06,839 --> 01:38:04,989
from the UK alone have emerged so this

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01:38:10,859 --> 01:38:06,849
does go on and of course the other thing

2247
01:38:13,859 --> 01:38:10,869
is it's hugely underreported pilots like

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01:38:16,020 --> 01:38:13,869
military officers have real career

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01:38:18,330 --> 01:38:16,030
issues if they start talking about UFO

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01:38:20,459 --> 01:38:18,340
sightings but pilots have found a way

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01:38:23,609 --> 01:38:20,469
around it and what they do is they tend

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01:38:26,580 --> 01:38:23,619
to use phrases like unusual aircraft and

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01:38:28,830 --> 01:38:26,590
unconventional helicopter so watch out

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01:38:32,069 --> 01:38:28,840
for those phrases in apparently

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01:38:36,060 --> 01:38:32,079
innocuous near miss reports I think they

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01:38:38,220 --> 01:38:36,070
call it ask covers indeed well we have a

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01:38:42,060 --> 01:38:38,230
couple of questions here for Nick here

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01:38:45,870 --> 01:38:42,070
that I guess Jimmy H is asking one and

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01:38:47,700 --> 01:38:45,880
also Erica read and I'll paraphrase both

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01:38:50,419 --> 01:38:47,710
questions together and that's you know

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01:38:52,890 --> 01:38:50,429
Nick you've probably done quite a bit of

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01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:52,900
off-the-record digging behind the scenes

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01:38:57,509 --> 01:38:55,210
with government contacts and military

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01:39:00,149 --> 01:38:57,519
contacts when it comes to the Rendlesham

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01:39:02,669 --> 01:39:00,159
forest Bentwaters case have you been

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01:39:05,310 --> 01:39:02,679
told in confidence anything by someone

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01:39:08,419 --> 01:39:05,320
that has somehow changed your thinking

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01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:08,429
and and you know in some ways of

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01:39:14,129 --> 01:39:10,570
validated the case more in your mind

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01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:14,139
know what happened but what I have had

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01:39:19,649 --> 01:39:16,690
actually following publication of the

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01:39:22,770 --> 01:39:19,659
birds is a couple of people who were

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01:39:26,430 --> 01:39:22,780
also involved at the time of the

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01:39:28,709 --> 01:39:26,440
incident contact me and I put them given

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01:39:30,540 --> 01:39:28,719
out and John your email address through

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01:39:31,020 --> 01:39:30,550
a couple of these people so I don't know

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01:39:33,870 --> 01:39:31,030
if they've been

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01:39:36,569 --> 01:39:33,880
touch with you and Jim yet so one or two

2279
01:39:38,790 --> 01:39:36,579
people are perhaps now coming forward as

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01:39:40,979 --> 01:39:38,800
a result of the burg which was one of

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01:39:44,220 --> 01:39:40,989
the things that we'd hoped for but no

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01:39:47,399 --> 01:39:44,230
nobody to go back to the question has

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01:39:48,359 --> 01:39:47,409
taken me aside and and said with me off

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01:39:52,020 --> 01:39:48,369
the record

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01:39:54,330 --> 01:39:52,030
thanks why embed okay another thing that

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01:39:57,540 --> 01:39:54,340
that's surprised me about the case is

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01:40:00,660 --> 01:39:57,550
the actual coming forward by by the base

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01:40:01,979 --> 01:40:00,670
commander Colonel Hall who has been on

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01:40:04,770 --> 01:40:01,989
the para cast too I might add

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01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:04,780
and this is pretty I think unprecedented

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01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:07,650
for a base commander to come forward and

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01:40:12,270 --> 01:40:10,449
really explain to the best of his

2293
01:40:15,060 --> 01:40:12,280
knowledge what happened his involvement

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01:40:16,859 --> 01:40:15,070
in the case this is highly unusual what

2295
01:40:20,339 --> 01:40:16,869
are your thoughts John about this about

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01:40:21,959 --> 01:40:20,349
the whole role of Charles halt mess well

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01:40:24,899 --> 01:40:21,969
for starters he didn't have a choice

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01:40:27,390 --> 01:40:24,909
because when the memo came out his name

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01:40:29,669 --> 01:40:27,400
was on it you know the one thing that

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01:40:31,799 --> 01:40:29,679
was interesting from early on when the

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01:40:34,529 --> 01:40:31,809
memo first came out in the contact I had

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01:40:36,419 --> 01:40:34,539
from Department of Defense on this was

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01:40:39,149 --> 01:40:36,429
they wanted to establish there was no

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01:40:42,180 --> 01:40:39,159
cover-up now there was some work early

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01:40:44,250 --> 01:40:42,190
done on early on by Scott Colburn and

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01:40:46,290 --> 01:40:44,260
another individual he was working with

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01:40:48,870 --> 01:40:46,300
and and they done it through Senator

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01:40:50,819 --> 01:40:48,880
Exxon and what happened was X I started

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01:40:52,709 --> 01:40:50,829
looking into it personally and he found

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01:40:55,020 --> 01:40:52,719
out there was inter-department memos and

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01:40:56,399 --> 01:40:55,030
stuff going on about it but what he came

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01:40:58,950 --> 01:40:56,409
back and said and he talked to Colonel

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01:41:01,439 --> 01:40:58,960
halt was to them was that um didn't

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01:41:03,540 --> 01:41:01,449
involve anybody mice constituents so I'm

2315
01:41:05,459 --> 01:41:03,550
not going to push this any farther but

2316
01:41:06,810 --> 01:41:05,469
the one thing that's going on is they're

2317
01:41:08,970 --> 01:41:06,820
not appearing to cover up something

2318
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:08,980
happen all they're doing the same will

2319
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:11,530
go by the halt memo which is kind of put

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01:41:15,899 --> 01:41:13,690
Colonel halt no I'm like now over the

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01:41:17,910 --> 01:41:15,909
years he's come out and got a little bit

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01:41:19,859 --> 01:41:17,920
more bolder and bolder with it even said

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01:41:20,850 --> 01:41:19,869
you know it appeared to be under

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01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:20,860
intelligent control

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01:41:25,859 --> 01:41:23,530
he's scolded me to tell me I need to

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01:41:28,020 --> 01:41:25,869
accept that we're not alone different

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01:41:30,359 --> 01:41:28,030
things the one issue I have with him and

2328
01:41:32,129 --> 01:41:30,369
that's my personal issue is he keeps

2329
01:41:36,149 --> 01:41:32,139
implying that we were interrogated and

2330
01:41:38,189 --> 01:41:36,159
had Sonia pensall um used on us but he

2331
01:41:40,290 --> 01:41:38,199
implies it like he knew he had it happen

2332
01:41:42,479 --> 01:41:40,300
to us now my problem with that is

2333
01:41:43,240 --> 01:41:42,489
twofold number one if he knew about it

2334
01:41:45,700 --> 01:41:43,250
when it was going

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01:41:47,830 --> 01:41:45,710
on ya duty of care and didn't stop it

2336
01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:47,840
and number two if he found out about it

2337
01:41:50,110 --> 01:41:48,410
later

2338
01:41:52,780 --> 01:41:50,120
he should be pushing harder for an

2339
01:41:54,700 --> 01:41:52,790
inquiry because if different people that

2340
01:41:57,010 --> 01:41:54,710
remember it and some people that think

2341
01:41:58,960 --> 01:41:57,020
they remember it it did happen to us we

2342
01:42:00,730 --> 01:41:58,970
were treated like war criminals and

2343
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:00,740
that's not the way you treat u.s.

2344
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:02,570
soldiers or military people doing their

2345
01:42:07,870 --> 01:42:05,210
job not including the health issues that

2346
01:42:10,660 --> 01:42:07,880
we've had also so I think he's done a

2347
01:42:12,820 --> 01:42:10,670
lot of what he can based on his security

2348
01:42:14,590 --> 01:42:12,830
clearances and what he knows and he's

2349
01:42:17,830 --> 01:42:14,600
tried to stay on the edge on some stuff

2350
01:42:20,050 --> 01:42:17,840
and he wants to help but he's sort of

2351
01:42:21,610 --> 01:42:20,060
held back by security clearances but I

2352
01:42:23,290 --> 01:42:21,620
do have a problem when he keeps implying

2353
01:42:24,850 --> 01:42:23,300
that we were interrogated and we were

2354
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:24,860
messed with it we don't remember what

2355
01:42:28,660 --> 01:42:25,810
happened to us

2356
01:42:30,940 --> 01:42:28,670
you know without him backing that up

2357
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:30,950
because if he really has proof something

2358
01:42:36,220 --> 01:42:33,530
should be done about it that's a little

2359
01:42:38,710 --> 01:42:36,230
bit disturbing my goodness you know I'm

2360
01:42:41,140 --> 01:42:38,720
sure there are enhanced and it advanced

2361
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:41,150
interrogation techniques but but when

2362
01:42:45,910 --> 01:42:43,370
you're trying to pull information out of

2363
01:42:52,750 --> 01:42:45,920
your own guys and you resort the things

2364
01:42:55,990 --> 01:42:52,760
that may may have some questionable been

2365
01:42:57,880 --> 01:42:56,000
on a record quite a bit Jim Wynn under

2366
01:42:59,950 --> 01:42:57,890
hypnosis and that came out that they

2367
01:43:01,600 --> 01:42:59,960
used some sodium pentathol on him other

2368
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:01,610
people have used the different sodium

2369
01:43:06,130 --> 01:43:03,770
amytal or something but the bottom line

2370
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:06,140
is what concerns me is this you know a

2371
01:43:10,630 --> 01:43:08,090
lot of people say to remember this but

2372
01:43:12,340 --> 01:43:10,640
Colonel Hall says it happened now again

2373
01:43:14,050 --> 01:43:12,350
that means if you know something

2374
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:14,060
happened to us and that involves duty to

2375
01:43:19,210 --> 01:43:16,970
care and that needs to be used to do

2376
01:43:21,730 --> 01:43:19,220
more about it is what I feel other than

2377
01:43:24,220 --> 01:43:21,740
just talk about it he needs if he said a

2378
01:43:26,470 --> 01:43:24,230
frontline colonel that knows this

2379
01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:26,480
happened to us then he needs to get

2380
01:43:31,120 --> 01:43:29,570
behind us and enforce Congress to look

2381
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:31,130
into what happened to us why were we

2382
01:43:36,040 --> 01:43:33,290
interrogated what exactly happened over

2383
01:43:37,930 --> 01:43:36,050
there I mean I understand s AP special

2384
01:43:40,390 --> 01:43:37,940
access programs the National Defense are

2385
01:43:42,430 --> 01:43:40,400
important but you know if we were

2386
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:42,440
interrogated and where and where and we

2387
01:43:47,890 --> 01:43:44,570
all several of us are ever now health

2388
01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:47,900
issues I think it's his job to do more

2389
01:43:52,300 --> 01:43:49,970
than he's doing okay now we've had

2390
01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:52,310
Colonel halt on the show because he's

2391
01:43:55,930 --> 01:43:54,050
made public appearances in connection

2392
01:43:57,040 --> 01:43:55,940
with the Rendlesham incident so you're

2393
01:43:59,169 --> 01:43:57,050
saying here that

2394
01:44:02,109 --> 01:43:59,179
you expected him or hope that maybe

2395
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:02,119
after all these years he would give his

2396
01:44:07,149 --> 01:44:05,090
troops more support for all the pain and

2397
01:44:08,649 --> 01:44:07,159
agony they've encountered yeah I'm

2398
01:44:10,060 --> 01:44:08,659
saying that if he knows for a fact

2399
01:44:12,339 --> 01:44:10,070
that's got proof that we were

2400
01:44:15,069 --> 01:44:12,349
interrogated then he should be

2401
01:44:17,500 --> 01:44:15,079
contacting somebody you know in Congress

2402
01:44:21,069 --> 01:44:17,510
and asked to do an investigation because

2403
01:44:23,740 --> 01:44:21,079
why were military personnel exposed to

2404
01:44:26,770 --> 01:44:23,750
interrogation just doing their job have

2405
01:44:29,319 --> 01:44:26,780
you reached out to him about this yeah

2406
01:44:32,649 --> 01:44:29,329
we've had an interesting exchange and

2407
01:44:36,010 --> 01:44:32,659
and some of its private but he appears

2408
01:44:37,479 --> 01:44:36,020
to know more than he's saying and and

2409
01:44:39,790 --> 01:44:37,489
I'm not saying he has to go public with

2410
01:44:43,180 --> 01:44:39,800
this you know where if it goes behind

2411
01:44:45,640 --> 01:44:43,190
closed doors and it is classified on you

2412
01:44:46,870 --> 01:44:45,650
know you know national defense then so

2413
01:44:49,030 --> 01:44:46,880
be it but then something needs to be

2414
01:44:50,919 --> 01:44:49,040
done but I will tell you this and this

2415
01:44:52,660 --> 01:44:50,929
is something that that's down the line

2416
01:44:54,549 --> 01:44:52,670
it was an earlier question asked I've

2417
01:44:57,010 --> 01:44:54,559
got a lawyer this working with me on

2418
01:44:59,770 --> 01:44:57,020
this okay let's cover this more our next

2419
01:45:02,169 --> 01:44:59,780
segment okay Joe very good our guests

2420
01:45:04,930 --> 01:45:02,179
are John burrows one of the people who

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01:45:07,299 --> 01:45:04,940
witnessed the Rendlesham UFO Nick Pope

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who worked with the UK Ministry of

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Defence the book is called encounter in

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welcome back go to the para cast the

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2487
01:48:07,540 --> 01:48:05,510
voice okay we have John burrows Nick

2488
01:48:11,080 --> 01:48:07,550
Pope John you were telling us more about

2489
01:48:12,820 --> 01:48:11,090
your interactions with Colonel halt can

2490
01:48:15,130 --> 01:48:12,830
you tell us more obviously I'm not

2491
01:48:17,110 --> 01:48:15,140
asking you to reveal things that were

2492
01:48:18,850 --> 01:48:17,120
said in private what I was going with

2493
01:48:20,830 --> 01:48:18,860
this is this I have a lawyer we've

2494
01:48:22,780 --> 01:48:20,840
already sent out an initial contact to

2495
01:48:24,670 --> 01:48:22,790
all the major people involved as staff

2496
01:48:27,250 --> 01:48:24,680
and everything else asking them if they

2497
01:48:29,620 --> 01:48:27,260
would do a deposition Lee a subpoena

2498
01:48:31,270 --> 01:48:29,630
then I'm saying enough no one responded

2499
01:48:34,510 --> 01:48:31,280
back but one person that was general

2500
01:48:37,420 --> 01:48:34,520
Williams but ultimately if my medical

2501
01:48:39,340 --> 01:48:37,430
records don't get released and if which

2502
01:48:41,650 --> 01:48:39,350
I need for my medical issues and

2503
01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:41,660
disability then there's going to be a

2504
01:48:46,930 --> 01:48:44,690
federal lawsuit filed now it could go as

2505
01:48:48,700 --> 01:48:46,940
far as um where it goes deeper than just

2506
01:48:50,290 --> 01:48:48,710
me that's another whole issue that's

2507
01:48:52,810 --> 01:48:50,300
being discussed but that does take

2508
01:48:55,450 --> 01:48:52,820
funding all class-action suit but there

2509
01:48:57,400 --> 01:48:55,460
will be a federal lawsuit filed against

2510
01:48:59,700 --> 01:48:57,410
the VA and the DoD why they're holding

2511
01:49:01,300 --> 01:48:59,710
my medical records back and we will call

2512
01:49:02,980 --> 01:49:01,310
everybody involved

2513
01:49:05,170 --> 01:49:02,990
you know this command staff and

2514
01:49:07,270 --> 01:49:05,180
everybody else to testify and we will do

2515
01:49:10,180 --> 01:49:07,280
depositions and that's where it could

2516
01:49:11,440 --> 01:49:10,190
get really interesting yeah I was

2517
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:11,450
thinking here though with all the

2518
01:49:16,630 --> 01:49:13,370
brouhaha out there right now the

2519
01:49:18,640 --> 01:49:16,640
political freakout about the VA isn't

2520
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:18,650
this an ideal time for maybe your

2521
01:49:22,210 --> 01:49:20,330
attorney to bring this public or do you

2522
01:49:24,490 --> 01:49:22,220
think the UFO factor is going to hurt it

2523
01:49:26,020 --> 01:49:24,500
no it's been brought public already um

2524
01:49:27,850 --> 01:49:26,030
there was a press release before my

2525
01:49:29,710 --> 01:49:27,860
surgery in December and actually

2526
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:29,720
interesting enough senator Sanders got

2527
01:49:34,570 --> 01:49:31,610
involved as a head of the VA committee

2528
01:49:36,670 --> 01:49:34,580
there and after Sanders the independent

2529
01:49:39,250 --> 01:49:36,680
from Vermont yeah and he came back with

2530
01:49:41,260 --> 01:49:39,260
you need to go to the special operations

2531
01:49:41,860 --> 01:49:41,270
unit to get your records now I've got

2532
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:41,870
that right II

2533
01:49:46,180 --> 01:49:44,090
so everybody's applied by records are

2534
01:49:49,300 --> 01:49:46,190
classified sounds like a shell game to

2535
01:49:51,220 --> 01:49:49,310
saying this guy is they go see this guy

2536
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:51,230
well it really is what's interesting is

2537
01:49:53,650 --> 01:49:52,610
if you think about it look at the way

2538
01:49:56,830 --> 01:49:53,660
they're handling all these other

2539
01:49:58,750 --> 01:49:56,840
scandals to really get any answers your

2540
01:50:01,270 --> 01:49:58,760
forced to follow lawsuit they had to

2541
01:50:03,609 --> 01:50:01,280
file a lawsuit or somebody for Congress

2542
01:50:05,919 --> 01:50:03,619
filed a lawsuit to get more details on

2543
01:50:07,959 --> 01:50:05,929
Benghazi this is the new way the

2544
01:50:10,030 --> 01:50:07,969
government works we're gonna play ball

2545
01:50:12,220 --> 01:50:10,040
with you just a little bit and the only

2546
01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:12,230
way you're ever going to get anything is

2547
01:50:15,939 --> 01:50:13,610
you're going to have to raise the

2548
01:50:17,500 --> 01:50:15,949
funding to follow AA suit and take it

2549
01:50:19,570 --> 01:50:17,510
further that's exactly how they play

2550
01:50:21,970 --> 01:50:19,580
ball and that's where this will go if

2551
01:50:24,129 --> 01:50:21,980
they don't cooperate with my records and

2552
01:50:25,479 --> 01:50:24,139
these guys are all gonna get subpoenaed

2553
01:50:27,250 --> 01:50:25,489
they really are they're gonna get

2554
01:50:29,470 --> 01:50:27,260
subpoenaed and they're gonna be asked to

2555
01:50:31,750 --> 01:50:29,480
testify and another interesting point is

2556
01:50:33,970 --> 01:50:31,760
the bass is working on something to try

2557
01:50:36,459 --> 01:50:33,980
to get not our incident but the Hulk all

2558
01:50:38,050 --> 01:50:36,469
about UFOs in front of Congress and it

2559
01:50:40,870 --> 01:50:38,060
would be interesting to see if he does

2560
01:50:42,370 --> 01:50:40,880
if Colonel Hall ants aren't Penniston

2561
01:50:44,620 --> 01:50:42,380
would be willing to go forward and

2562
01:50:46,870 --> 01:50:44,630
testify in front of Congress about our

2563
01:50:49,419 --> 01:50:46,880
incident I know I will and I you know

2564
01:50:50,859 --> 01:50:49,429
I'm sure others might but I know I will

2565
01:50:52,780 --> 01:50:50,869
but it would be interesting enough to

2566
01:50:55,180 --> 01:50:52,790
see if they were able to get this in

2567
01:50:56,979 --> 01:50:55,190
front of Congress and our case in front

2568
01:50:58,689 --> 01:50:56,989
of Congress which was one of the ones

2569
01:51:00,399 --> 01:50:58,699
that was in the you know the the

2570
01:51:01,660 --> 01:51:00,409
citizens hearing they did would these

2571
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:01,670
guys be willing to raise their right

2572
01:51:05,109 --> 01:51:03,170
hand and tell all front of Congress

2573
01:51:07,720 --> 01:51:05,119
right that would be the the ultimate

2574
01:51:09,609 --> 01:51:07,730
litmus test I think and out you know I

2575
01:51:11,649 --> 01:51:09,619
would be surprised that people would

2576
01:51:13,419 --> 01:51:11,659
back down from that and if they were

2577
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:13,429
subpoenaed by Congress I bet you they

2578
01:51:18,250 --> 01:51:15,530
would do their you know patriotic civic

2579
01:51:20,439 --> 01:51:18,260
civic duty and tell all they knew in the

2580
01:51:22,830 --> 01:51:20,449
case of Colonel halt obviously there

2581
01:51:25,629 --> 01:51:22,840
might be some security oath issues but

2582
01:51:29,169 --> 01:51:25,639
you know he could go behind closed doors

2583
01:51:31,180 --> 01:51:29,179
and testify as well if they want to take

2584
01:51:32,890 --> 01:51:31,190
this behind closed doors that's fine but

2585
01:51:34,899 --> 01:51:32,900
that's going to show something of

2586
01:51:37,359 --> 01:51:34,909
defense significance happen which gets

2587
01:51:39,850 --> 01:51:37,369
back to these papers which says this is

2588
01:51:43,030 --> 01:51:39,860
of not defense significance Rendlesham

2589
01:51:44,740 --> 01:51:43,040
or anything else yet a lot of the stuff

2590
01:51:46,959 --> 01:51:44,750
in the papers are classified of

2591
01:51:48,760 --> 01:51:46,969
defensive right that's like wanting

2592
01:51:50,589 --> 01:51:48,770
night with having your cake and wanting

2593
01:51:52,270 --> 01:51:50,599
to eat it too there's either one of the

2594
01:51:53,620 --> 01:51:52,280
other folks now this brings up an

2595
01:51:56,169 --> 01:51:53,630
interesting question

2596
01:51:59,020 --> 01:51:56,179
I was following in the late 90s the

2597
01:52:03,580 --> 01:51:59,030
lawsuit brought against the government

2598
01:52:05,410 --> 01:52:03,590
by workers at the non-existent area 51

2599
01:52:06,939 --> 01:52:05,420
where they claimed that they were their

2600
01:52:09,220 --> 01:52:06,949
health was irreparable harmed by the

2601
01:52:10,660 --> 01:52:09,230
burning of noxious and toxic materials

2602
01:52:11,729 --> 01:52:10,670
out there

2603
01:52:14,620 --> 01:52:11,739
the case was thrown out because

2604
01:52:16,990 --> 01:52:14,630
officially the base didn't exist well

2605
01:52:19,240 --> 01:52:17,000
recently the CIA came forward and

2606
01:52:22,450 --> 01:52:19,250
admitted finally that there is a

2607
01:52:24,760 --> 01:52:22,460
facility there now it would seem to me

2608
01:52:27,160 --> 01:52:24,770
that once there is an official admission

2609
01:52:30,130 --> 01:52:27,170
of the facility then that would then

2610
01:52:33,340 --> 01:52:30,140
retroactively Lee enabled the plaintiffs

2611
01:52:35,200 --> 01:52:33,350
in the suit that was filed to refile

2612
01:52:37,270 --> 01:52:35,210
their suit because now there is a base

2613
01:52:39,220 --> 01:52:37,280
that they can sue and claim they worked

2614
01:52:41,740 --> 01:52:39,230
at have you followed any of this at all

2615
01:52:44,260 --> 01:52:41,750
either of you well perhaps I'll only pin

2616
01:52:46,270 --> 01:52:44,270
there I think I understand the analogy

2617
01:52:48,220 --> 01:52:46,280
but I think Rendlesham is fundamentally

2618
01:52:50,620 --> 01:52:48,230
different and I think we have a huge

2619
01:52:52,900 --> 01:52:50,630
advantage and again it comes back to the

2620
01:52:55,870 --> 01:52:52,910
audit trail of government documents that

2621
01:52:58,510 --> 01:52:55,880
we already have on this incident whether

2622
01:53:01,080 --> 01:52:58,520
it's project condign or whether it's the

2623
01:53:03,370 --> 01:53:01,090
contemporaneous Ministry of Defense

2624
01:53:05,919 --> 01:53:03,380
documents and I think one of the most

2625
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:05,929
telling one and again it's it's one of a

2626
01:53:11,669 --> 01:53:07,850
handful of documents that we've printed

2627
01:53:14,709 --> 01:53:11,679
in entirety at the end of the book is a

2628
01:53:17,590 --> 01:53:14,719
very interesting one dated 16th of

2629
01:53:19,990 --> 01:53:17,600
February 1981 so just a few weeks after

2630
01:53:23,950 --> 01:53:20,000
the incident and there's this casual

2631
01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:23,960
little two line mention of the fact that

2632
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:27,170
immediately after the incident general

2633
01:53:32,439 --> 01:53:30,410
Gabriel visited the base the twin bases

2634
01:53:35,169 --> 01:53:32,449
have been thwarted in Woodbridge and was

2635
01:53:37,510 --> 01:53:35,179
given items of evidence pertaining to

2636
01:53:40,840 --> 01:53:37,520
the case including colonel Holt's

2637
01:53:42,970 --> 01:53:40,850
audiotape to said that he recorded as he

2638
01:53:45,130 --> 01:53:42,980
went out into the forest and had his own

2639
01:53:48,459 --> 01:53:45,140
encounter why is that interesting

2640
01:53:51,070 --> 01:53:48,469
interesting because general Gabriel was

2641
01:53:53,620 --> 01:53:51,080
commander in chief United States Air

2642
01:53:57,220 --> 01:53:53,630
Force in Europe the four-star military

2643
01:54:00,010 --> 01:53:57,230
officer and again it comes back to the

2644
01:54:01,720 --> 01:54:00,020
fact the public position on all of this

2645
01:54:04,479 --> 01:54:01,730
is we're not interested in we don't

2646
01:54:08,140 --> 01:54:04,489
investigate UFOs if that's true why is

2647
01:54:10,630 --> 01:54:08,150
why is the senior US Air Force officer

2648
01:54:13,090 --> 01:54:10,640
in Europe coming in to be briefed on

2649
01:54:15,490 --> 01:54:13,100
this because we've got that in paper I

2650
01:54:18,820 --> 01:54:15,500
don't think John and Jim are quite in

2651
01:54:20,470 --> 01:54:18,830
the same position as the area 51 workers

2652
01:54:23,140 --> 01:54:20,480
because I think although there are these

2653
01:54:24,430 --> 01:54:23,150
general no defense significance denials

2654
01:54:27,430 --> 01:54:24,440
that the paper

2655
01:54:30,070 --> 01:54:27,440
trial yeah yeah I see your point now

2656
01:54:32,170 --> 01:54:30,080
yeah it would be much much easier in

2657
01:54:33,880 --> 01:54:32,180
theory but I'll tell you with this

2658
01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:33,890
runaround I mean it just shows you how

2659
01:54:39,880 --> 01:54:37,370
much disregard aspects of our government

2660
01:54:42,400 --> 01:54:39,890
have for our men and women serving in

2661
01:54:43,780 --> 01:54:42,410
uniform especially once their health is

2662
01:54:46,390 --> 01:54:43,790
impacted what's going on with the VA

2663
01:54:48,610 --> 01:54:46,400
right now I tell you that I want to make

2664
01:54:50,740 --> 01:54:48,620
some say something out of that hearing

2665
01:54:52,750 --> 01:54:50,750
that Steve ambassador did a letter was

2666
01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:52,760
sent to the president United States by

2667
01:54:58,000 --> 01:54:54,890
the X members of Congress and to the

2668
01:55:00,400 --> 01:54:58,010
head of the VA what's interesting is it

2669
01:55:02,620 --> 01:55:00,410
ended up in my case file those two

2670
01:55:05,020 --> 01:55:02,630
letters were in my case really review

2671
01:55:06,670 --> 01:55:05,030
yes both of those letters were in my

2672
01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:06,680
case file now the interesting thing was

2673
01:55:10,840 --> 01:55:08,810
the first part they only released a

2674
01:55:12,550 --> 01:55:10,850
senator McCain's office they held back

2675
01:55:14,709 --> 01:55:12,560
part of my case bought of Senator

2676
01:55:16,570 --> 01:55:14,719
McCain's office which got caught when I

2677
01:55:19,540 --> 01:55:16,580
was following my official appeal and

2678
01:55:21,070 --> 01:55:19,550
they gave me some more stuff on my case

2679
01:55:22,240 --> 01:55:21,080
file but they still haven't given to me

2680
01:55:25,330 --> 01:55:22,250
all and they won't answer my father

2681
01:55:27,520 --> 01:55:25,340
across on that but what's in my case

2682
01:55:30,040 --> 01:55:27,530
review for my disability those two

2683
01:55:32,380 --> 01:55:30,050
letters were in for the people my

2684
01:55:34,420 --> 01:55:32,390
disability review to look at but there

2685
01:55:36,370 --> 01:55:34,430
was no official acknowledgement from the

2686
01:55:38,110 --> 01:55:36,380
White House and normally they'll do

2687
01:55:40,030 --> 01:55:38,120
they'll at least send you back a letter

2688
01:55:42,160 --> 01:55:40,040
saying thank you for your concern on

2689
01:55:43,810 --> 01:55:42,170
this issue no official knowledge from

2690
01:55:46,660 --> 01:55:43,820
the White House on that particular

2691
01:55:50,920 --> 01:55:46,670
letter or from the head of the VA or the

2692
01:55:53,770 --> 01:55:50,930
VA yes that's highly unusual I mean I

2693
01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:53,780
think that's that's actually kind of

2694
01:55:58,300 --> 01:55:55,370
evidence in and of itself

2695
01:55:59,890 --> 01:55:58,310
yes it is and they will not release my

2696
01:56:01,720 --> 01:55:59,900
medical records I keep emphasizing that

2697
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:01,730
but they won't even answer where they

2698
01:56:05,320 --> 01:56:03,770
are they won't even answer it if they've

2699
01:56:07,240 --> 01:56:05,330
even tried to see if they're classified

2700
01:56:09,520 --> 01:56:07,250
or if they did whether they are

2701
01:56:12,370 --> 01:56:09,530
classified and every senator has been

2702
01:56:13,930 --> 01:56:12,380
involved based on their abilities of

2703
01:56:15,729 --> 01:56:13,940
doing FOIA and working with these kind

2704
01:56:17,680 --> 01:56:15,739
of things all hint at including the

2705
01:56:19,240 --> 01:56:17,690
letter from Senator Kyle's aid saying

2706
01:56:21,850 --> 01:56:19,250
that we're going to now go after them in

2707
01:56:25,030 --> 01:56:21,860
the classified area so my records are

2708
01:56:27,370 --> 01:56:25,040
classified so if this incident is not a

2709
01:56:28,840 --> 01:56:27,380
defense significance why would all this

2710
01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:28,850
stuff because a fighter why would it be

2711
01:56:33,850 --> 01:56:31,010
the runaround going on yes it's like a

2712
01:56:35,410 --> 01:56:33,860
catch-22 you know right it just goes

2713
01:56:38,919 --> 01:56:35,420
round and round and round it's like a

2714
01:56:40,870 --> 01:56:38,929
mobius strip yes

2715
01:56:42,580 --> 01:56:40,880
it may end up in court yes yeah well

2716
01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:42,590
that's I was gonna say that that it

2717
01:56:46,149 --> 01:56:43,850
looks like it's gonna be headed in that

2718
01:56:47,590 --> 01:56:46,159
direction and then it'll be very

2719
01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:47,600
interesting to see how this plays out

2720
01:56:51,220 --> 01:56:49,850
and boy you know let me know what we can

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01:56:51,939 --> 01:56:51,230
do here at the para cast to help with

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01:56:55,750 --> 01:56:51,949
that effort

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01:56:58,300 --> 01:56:55,760
and get out one of the things that needs

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01:57:00,160 --> 01:56:58,310
to go on you know and the book itself

2725
01:57:01,750 --> 01:57:00,170
was like Nick said mainstream to get

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01:57:04,270 --> 01:57:01,760
more people to realize what's going on

2727
01:57:06,850 --> 01:57:04,280
it wasn't going into too controversial

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01:57:09,010 --> 01:57:06,860
of areas going to too much detail and

2729
01:57:11,680 --> 01:57:09,020
stuff as far as you know things that

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01:57:13,870 --> 01:57:11,690
people would you know when an attack it

2731
01:57:15,669 --> 01:57:13,880
was more this is a broad scope layout of

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01:57:17,830 --> 01:57:15,679
the incident and then you know here's

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some of the binary stuff you know here's

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some of the possibilities but the real

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important part of the book is project

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condign in what the government you know

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next segment with john burroughs and

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three more segments short amount of time

2836
02:02:05,970 --> 02:02:03,850
to spend with Nick Pope and John burrows

2837
02:02:08,280 --> 02:02:05,980
encounter in Rendlesham forest

2838
02:02:10,530 --> 02:02:08,290
I don't want to really be a downer about

2839
02:02:13,050 --> 02:02:10,540
this I think you realize John burrows

2840
02:02:15,780 --> 02:02:13,060
that when you do file lawsuits of any

2841
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:15,790
sort those things can drag on for years

2842
02:02:22,590 --> 02:02:20,010
and particularly whatever the outcome is

2843
02:02:24,900 --> 02:02:22,600
there's going to be an appeal well

2844
02:02:27,300 --> 02:02:24,910
correct but the interesting thing is

2845
02:02:29,220 --> 02:02:27,310
when you follow a suit you're going to

2846
02:02:30,780 --> 02:02:29,230
put the government on notice one you're

2847
02:02:33,450 --> 02:02:30,790
not going to be pushed around but number

2848
02:02:35,550 --> 02:02:33,460
two they're gonna have to answer to that

2849
02:02:37,590 --> 02:02:35,560
incident and what are they gonna do

2850
02:02:39,270 --> 02:02:37,600
didn't say it didn't happen and if they

2851
02:02:41,729 --> 02:02:39,280
admit it did it happened then they're

2852
02:02:43,470 --> 02:02:41,739
gonna have to go into other details they

2853
02:02:45,750 --> 02:02:43,480
may even have to say it's classified now

2854
02:02:47,870 --> 02:02:45,760
an interesting thing some FOIA that was

2855
02:02:49,860 --> 02:02:47,880
done through our government CIA

2856
02:02:51,720 --> 02:02:49,870
acknowledge that the incident took place

2857
02:02:53,850 --> 02:02:51,730
and they can either confirm or deny if

2858
02:02:55,650 --> 02:02:53,860
they don't classified material State

2859
02:02:57,510 --> 02:02:55,660
Department acknowledged that they hold

2860
02:02:58,890 --> 02:02:57,520
information on the incident but they

2861
02:03:01,440 --> 02:02:58,900
won't release it because it belongs to

2862
02:03:03,960 --> 02:03:01,450
the Air Force OSI reports the state

2863
02:03:05,250 --> 02:03:03,970
department oversees and if the State

2864
02:03:06,360 --> 02:03:05,260
Department gets involved it's an

2865
02:03:08,520 --> 02:03:06,370
international incident

2866
02:03:11,070 --> 02:03:08,530
now when the Air Force was contacted it

2867
02:03:13,560 --> 02:03:11,080
denied having any paperwork okay so

2868
02:03:15,180 --> 02:03:13,570
there's another example of stuff that

2869
02:03:16,770 --> 02:03:15,190
they're going to have to answer to and

2870
02:03:18,810 --> 02:03:16,780
when you take it to court even though it

2871
02:03:20,910 --> 02:03:18,820
may drag out you're gonna clearly show

2872
02:03:22,740 --> 02:03:20,920
the dis incident had defense

2873
02:03:24,570 --> 02:03:22,750
significance and they're probably gonna

2874
02:03:26,430 --> 02:03:24,580
have to classify it they're not gonna

2875
02:03:27,780 --> 02:03:26,440
allow people to testify they're gonna

2876
02:03:30,030 --> 02:03:27,790
step in and they're going to deny people

2877
02:03:31,500 --> 02:03:30,040
to testify Colonel Hart on the record

2878
02:03:33,720 --> 02:03:31,510
say and he's told more documents that he

2879
02:03:35,430 --> 02:03:33,730
would release only if he was brought in

2880
02:03:37,770 --> 02:03:35,440
front of Congress or a court of law

2881
02:03:38,910 --> 02:03:37,780
Wow but when it comes to Congress can

2882
02:03:42,450 --> 02:03:38,920
you get their attention away from

2883
02:03:44,250 --> 02:03:42,460
Benghazi and the IRS and whatever else

2884
02:03:45,420 --> 02:03:44,260
there is to pay attention to something

2885
02:03:48,450 --> 02:03:45,430
like this that's always been the problem

2886
02:03:49,710 --> 02:03:48,460
well I agree but if this goes into

2887
02:03:51,930 --> 02:03:49,720
federal laws

2888
02:03:53,700 --> 02:03:51,940
and it's proven we were interrogated

2889
02:03:56,040 --> 02:03:53,710
then Congress probably won't have a

2890
02:03:58,350 --> 02:03:56,050
choice will they well they're gonna have

2891
02:04:00,090 --> 02:03:58,360
to ask why we were done it didn't Nick

2892
02:04:02,880 --> 02:04:00,100
brought this up a long time ago duty of

2893
02:04:05,190 --> 02:04:02,890
care right next yeah absolutely the duty

2894
02:04:07,560 --> 02:04:05,200
of care in the UK we use the phrase the

2895
02:04:11,430 --> 02:04:07,570
military covenant in other words meaning

2896
02:04:13,350 --> 02:04:11,440
that because of the unique sacrifices

2897
02:04:15,000 --> 02:04:13,360
including the ultimate sacrifice that

2898
02:04:18,660 --> 02:04:15,010
men and women in the Armed Forces are

2899
02:04:20,970 --> 02:04:18,670
called upon to make society in its

2900
02:04:23,370 --> 02:04:20,980
widest sense political leadership etc

2901
02:04:24,990 --> 02:04:23,380
but also the chain of command but

2902
02:04:27,840 --> 02:04:25,000
society indeed as a whole

2903
02:04:30,840 --> 02:04:27,850
owes those men and women a duty of care

2904
02:04:32,550 --> 02:04:30,850
that perhaps goes above and beyond the

2905
02:04:34,710 --> 02:04:32,560
person in the street who does not have

2906
02:04:37,680 --> 02:04:34,720
to put their life on the line in this

2907
02:04:38,310 --> 02:04:37,690
way let me ask you just parenthetically

2908
02:04:40,410 --> 02:04:38,320
here John

2909
02:04:42,720 --> 02:04:40,420
without your early medical records they

2910
02:04:46,200 --> 02:04:42,730
still have your current symptoms they

2911
02:04:49,200 --> 02:04:46,210
can still do MRIs and cat scans and

2912
02:04:50,820 --> 02:04:49,210
everything else they can without knowing

2913
02:04:52,830 --> 02:04:50,830
what might have caused it still do quite

2914
02:04:54,840 --> 02:04:52,840
a few things to figure out at least

2915
02:04:56,400 --> 02:04:54,850
what's wrong with you now right well

2916
02:04:59,580 --> 02:04:56,410
here's what happened this is where it

2917
02:05:02,160 --> 02:04:59,590
gets really interesting okay um my DD

2918
02:05:04,860 --> 02:05:02,170
Form 214 was altered when I went in and

2919
02:05:07,740 --> 02:05:04,870
tried to get this stuff done two things

2920
02:05:09,660 --> 02:05:07,750
came back the DBA denied my disability

2921
02:05:13,170 --> 02:05:09,670
based on I wasn't in the Air Force from

2922
02:05:16,230 --> 02:05:13,180
79-83 and they had an altered DD Form

2923
02:05:18,720 --> 02:05:16,240
214 and also they had no medical records

2924
02:05:21,330 --> 02:05:18,730
this is we've got to prove this is not

2925
02:05:23,580 --> 02:05:21,340
made-up people say yeah but it's there

2926
02:05:26,310 --> 02:05:23,590
Senator McCain when they denied it

2927
02:05:28,380 --> 02:05:26,320
really got into this and they went after

2928
02:05:30,450 --> 02:05:28,390
the Air Force Department of Defense and

2929
02:05:33,090 --> 02:05:30,460
said you got pay records you've got a

2930
02:05:35,340 --> 02:05:33,100
physical showing he came in a 79 was

2931
02:05:37,860 --> 02:05:35,350
healthy when he got out of active in 88

2932
02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:37,870
he had a heart problem okay how can you

2933
02:05:43,110 --> 02:05:39,850
denied and he was in I've got an email

2934
02:05:46,200 --> 02:05:43,120
from the Air Force saying that I wasn't

2935
02:05:47,460 --> 02:05:46,210
in and what I did was I went around and

2936
02:05:49,230 --> 02:05:47,470
they went around and we went to

2937
02:05:51,270 --> 02:05:49,240
retirement some stuff and we got some

2938
02:05:53,670 --> 02:05:51,280
more records and got him certified and

2939
02:05:56,220 --> 02:05:53,680
then they finally came back after six

2940
02:05:57,990 --> 02:05:56,230
weeks of a congressional inquiry I mean

2941
02:06:00,510 --> 02:05:58,000
by progressional a United States

2942
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senators office has gone in after them

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02:06:03,570 --> 02:06:01,180
and there did not

2944
02:06:06,900 --> 02:06:03,580
I was even in they finally gave me a new

2945
02:06:09,000 --> 02:06:06,910
DD Form 214 now my attorney got a phone

2946
02:06:11,310 --> 02:06:09,010
call after we did a press release in

2947
02:06:13,530 --> 02:06:11,320
December going in more detail about this

2948
02:06:16,440 --> 02:06:13,540
and somebody on the hill called because

2949
02:06:18,960 --> 02:06:16,450
it went up to the head of the VA both in

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the house and the Senate somebody's

2951
02:06:22,680 --> 02:06:20,800
inside one of the offices called which

2952
02:06:24,210 --> 02:06:22,690
he's holding back for now because it

2953
02:06:26,310 --> 02:06:24,220
could come out later if it has to go to

2954
02:06:28,230 --> 02:06:26,320
court and said a lot of people don't

2955
02:06:29,310 --> 02:06:28,240
even know their duty forty two teens are

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02:06:30,840 --> 02:06:29,320
altered because when they are involved

2957
02:06:34,350 --> 02:06:30,850
with something that's classified they

2958
02:06:36,240 --> 02:06:34,360
are altered okay so not only are my

2959
02:06:38,640 --> 02:06:36,250
medical records being held back my by DD

2960
02:06:40,260 --> 02:06:38,650
Form 214 and Senator McCain's office is

2961
02:06:42,150 --> 02:06:40,270
pushing is pretty hard right now and

2962
02:06:45,300 --> 02:06:42,160
they're starting to ask questions on

2963
02:06:47,700 --> 02:06:45,310
what exactly is was this happen to these

2964
02:06:50,040 --> 02:06:47,710
guys that would cause you to go to this

2965
02:06:52,620 --> 02:06:50,050
extreme to hold back as medical records

2966
02:06:55,140 --> 02:06:52,630
to alters DD Form 214 and they're aware

2967
02:06:56,670 --> 02:06:55,150
of the incident itself and they are

2968
02:06:59,040 --> 02:06:56,680
starting to ask questions about the

2969
02:07:01,740 --> 02:06:59,050
incident itself has Centerton mckay

2970
02:07:03,810 --> 02:07:01,750
never taken a position about ufos the

2971
02:07:06,840 --> 02:07:03,820
only one I remember was he did a radio

2972
02:07:08,160 --> 02:07:06,850
interview on kfy and Phoenix and they

2973
02:07:11,010 --> 02:07:08,170
were talking about the Phoenix lights

2974
02:07:12,330 --> 02:07:11,020
and I believe and I can't say probate

2975
02:07:14,490 --> 02:07:12,340
him what he said but he went along the

2976
02:07:16,830 --> 02:07:14,500
lines that on something that's you know

2977
02:07:18,540 --> 02:07:16,840
you know clearly documented is happening

2978
02:07:20,790 --> 02:07:18,550
there should be an investigation and

2979
02:07:22,680 --> 02:07:20,800
that is out there somewhere that if you

2980
02:07:24,810 --> 02:07:22,690
go back and look on YouTube he did do a

2981
02:07:26,550 --> 02:07:24,820
brief snippet or they were talking about

2982
02:07:28,140 --> 02:07:26,560
the Phoenix lights and remember when

2983
02:07:30,150 --> 02:07:28,150
that became a big issue and they wanted

2984
02:07:31,860 --> 02:07:30,160
to go to Congress and all that he did

2985
02:07:34,530 --> 02:07:31,870
say on a record that he felt like

2986
02:07:36,690 --> 02:07:34,540
incidents that were verifiable do

2987
02:07:39,060 --> 02:07:36,700
deserve an investigation well that horse

2988
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is amazing like catching your bets there

2989
02:07:44,310 --> 02:07:41,770
but but nobody's going to go on the

2990
02:07:47,520 --> 02:07:44,320
record and as a politician or mostly

2991
02:07:48,600 --> 02:07:47,530
military and talk about UFOs look at the

2992
02:07:50,340 --> 02:07:48,610
whole thing when they did that

2993
02:07:53,550 --> 02:07:50,350
presidential debate a few years ago when

2994
02:07:55,440 --> 02:07:53,560
Obama was going for it yeah and that all

2995
02:07:57,330 --> 02:07:55,450
came up and they all just were like you

2996
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take it no you take it they don't want

2997
02:08:01,620 --> 02:07:59,980
to talk about UFOs but they are willing

2998
02:08:04,020 --> 02:08:01,630
to say sometimes that there's something

2999
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that did take place that should be

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further looked into but no one wants to

3001
02:08:10,230 --> 02:08:08,470
go into UFOs and aliens that's been the

3002
02:08:11,970 --> 02:08:10,240
killjoy all along and Symington killed

3003
02:08:13,260 --> 02:08:11,980
the whole Phoenix like thing when you

3004
02:08:14,850 --> 02:08:13,270
brought that little alien out in that

3005
02:08:15,149 --> 02:08:14,860
press conference of course he's tried to

3006
02:08:18,209 --> 02:08:15,159
live

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that down by recanted that claim right

3008
02:08:22,770 --> 02:08:21,130
not but I am confused but you know let's

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kind of backtrack here a little bit in

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02:08:27,350 --> 02:08:25,059
and do some reverse engineering on the

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government's you know absolutely

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transitions and and and just

3013
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stonewalling you what could possibly be

3014
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their motivations other than withholding

3015
02:08:40,469 --> 02:08:38,559
benefits and care and important medical

3016
02:08:42,479 --> 02:08:40,479
records from was a uh you know a retired

3017
02:08:44,489 --> 02:08:42,489
service person what are we dealing with

3018
02:08:46,529 --> 02:08:44,499
here we in terms of the mentality well

3019
02:08:48,929 --> 02:08:46,539
there's different scenarios have been

3020
02:08:50,909 --> 02:08:48,939
run by my attorney through a consultant

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02:08:53,219 --> 02:08:50,919
that we're using that I can't go on go

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02:08:55,469 --> 02:08:53,229
on the record say who he is is just in

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02:08:57,629 --> 02:08:55,479
client/attorney privilege one of the

3024
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things is number one was what exactly

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what Bassett Steve basses conference the

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02:09:03,839 --> 02:09:02,229
guy that brought it up I came he was

3027
02:09:06,569 --> 02:09:03,849
from Utah I can't remember his name now

3028
02:09:09,029 --> 02:09:06,579
I'm sorry but he said if we go to this

3029
02:09:11,069 --> 02:09:09,039
Airman's records and immediately after

3030
02:09:13,379 --> 02:09:11,079
the incident we see signs of different

3031
02:09:15,779 --> 02:09:13,389
physical problems then we could start

3032
02:09:18,540 --> 02:09:15,789
taking bricks down that not only did the

3033
02:09:20,310 --> 02:09:18,550
incident take place but he got sick then

3034
02:09:21,060 --> 02:09:20,320
we could start looking into the symptoms

3035
02:09:24,449 --> 02:09:21,070
and what they were

3036
02:09:26,759 --> 02:09:24,459
now this consultant told my attorney was

3037
02:09:29,129 --> 02:09:26,769
then after I got sick I got taken to

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02:09:31,229 --> 02:09:29,139
wright-patterson for a more evaluation

3039
02:09:33,419 --> 02:09:31,239
he said along the lines on these

3040
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evaluations that are my records the

3041
02:09:36,029 --> 02:09:34,510
different people that looked at me

3042
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including down at Wolford Hall enough

3043
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and I can't remember the Colonel's name

3044
02:09:40,469 --> 02:09:38,979
of course and I records I don't see

3045
02:09:42,750 --> 02:09:40,479
somebody high up people that were

3046
02:09:45,810 --> 02:09:42,760
analyzing my sickness there could be

3047
02:09:47,159 --> 02:09:45,820
somebody in those records that there's a

3048
02:09:49,379 --> 02:09:47,169
name in there that if you have

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researched their name to tie back to a

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special access you know I will have more

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02:09:55,439 --> 02:09:54,070
of this discussion in our next segment

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because we're running kind of low on

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seconds I don't want to interrupt

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anybody all right

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our guests are Nick Pope John Burroughs

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Chris you want to pursue the questioning

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well we'll have a question here and this

3170
02:15:08,050 --> 02:15:05,420
is a good one recently we've been

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hearing about UFO sightings in Kashmir

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which is a contested strip of land

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that's that's been Jesus spent almost 50

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years that the Indians and the

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Pakistanis have been kind of warring

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over this particular disputed very high

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up in the Himalayas territory now over

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the past number of years there have been

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a little mini flaps of UFO sightings in

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claims of UFO encounters by troops up

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there this is a question that's that's

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kind of being posed it's number one it's

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by one of our newest four members his

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name is azz 7092 he just joined a month

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ago and he's wondering Nick what do you

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02:15:56,890 --> 02:15:53,420
think of UFO sightings that are reported

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in hot zones where there's the potential

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for for her imminent military conflict

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or along DMZ areas where you have an

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uneasy sort of cold war going on do we

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see any sort of correlations yeah my own

3192
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view on that is that that is precisely

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the sort of occasion on which it is more

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likely that we're dealing with drones of

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some sort that self-evidently but either

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either from the two protagonists

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involved or indeed from from other

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nations wanting to keep an eye on on

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what's going on and loss of attention

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you've only got to look at activity in

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Ukraine to see that these places can be

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real powder kegs

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for something that hasn't passed go

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above and beyond that and I think it's

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it's self-evident that all the world

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powers would want to keep an eye on that

3207
02:16:49,959 --> 02:16:49,309
so when I hear about UFOs in areas of

3208
02:16:52,330 --> 02:16:49,969
conflict

3209
02:16:56,470 --> 02:16:52,340
I immediately do think well this is

3210
02:16:58,959 --> 02:16:56,480
military hardware please yeah I know

3211
02:17:01,299 --> 02:16:58,969
that obviously some people in the UFO

3212
02:17:02,950 --> 02:17:01,309
community particularly at this sort of

3213
02:17:04,330 --> 02:17:02,960
new age end of it

3214
02:17:06,160 --> 02:17:04,340
kind of take this

3215
02:17:08,349 --> 02:17:06,170
you that this is extraterrestrials

3216
02:17:10,900 --> 02:17:08,359
monitoring our our activity may be

3217
02:17:13,540 --> 02:17:10,910
concerned about what what we're doing to

3218
02:17:15,549 --> 02:17:13,550
do to ourselves but you know I think the

3219
02:17:18,190 --> 02:17:15,559
answer is more likely to lie closer to

3220
02:17:21,400 --> 02:17:18,200
home yeah well in the case of Kashmir

3221
02:17:23,669 --> 02:17:21,410
it's two nuclear powers the state of

3222
02:17:26,770 --> 02:17:23,679
undeclared war for fifteen years

3223
02:17:29,410 --> 02:17:26,780
you know you've only got to take a look

3224
02:17:31,540 --> 02:17:29,420
at that and see what the the real

3225
02:17:34,209 --> 02:17:31,550
adverse consequences could be there it's

3226
02:17:37,150 --> 02:17:34,219
a real powder cake yeah oh boy I'll say

3227
02:17:40,629 --> 02:17:37,160
I have a question here from cosmonaut

3228
02:17:43,419 --> 02:17:40,639
who is a lurker at forum dr. Peric ascom

3229
02:17:46,570 --> 02:17:43,429
he's been a member of the forum since

3230
02:17:48,700 --> 02:17:46,580
June of 2009 and he's only posted eight

3231
02:17:50,830 --> 02:17:48,710
messages so you're pulling him out of

3232
02:17:52,900 --> 02:17:50,840
the woodwork gentlemen he wants to know

3233
02:17:55,000 --> 02:17:52,910
what the full story on the idea that

3234
02:17:58,120 --> 02:17:55,010
time travelers were involved with this

3235
02:17:59,650 --> 02:17:58,130
case now that's a new one on me does

3236
02:18:02,620 --> 02:17:59,660
anyone want to grab a hold of that one

3237
02:18:06,070 --> 02:18:02,630
sure well I think again if you look at

3238
02:18:09,160 --> 02:18:06,080
the binary message certainly you've

3239
02:18:11,469 --> 02:18:09,170
you've got this year of origin eight 100

3240
02:18:13,959 --> 02:18:11,479
and I mean when looking at it cuz I'll

3241
02:18:16,389 --> 02:18:13,969
take theories but what this could be

3242
02:18:17,860 --> 02:18:16,399
once you go above and beyond

3243
02:18:21,520 --> 02:18:17,870
things like secret prototype aircraft

3244
02:18:24,160 --> 02:18:21,530
drones once you go further than looking

3245
02:18:27,070 --> 02:18:24,170
at exotic atmospheric plasmas one

3246
02:18:30,099 --> 02:18:27,080
obviously in writing a book of this sort

3247
02:18:31,810 --> 02:18:30,109
have to go out and say well what what do

3248
02:18:34,299 --> 02:18:31,820
other people believe out there and the

3249
02:18:37,509 --> 02:18:34,309
three big theories that there are in

3250
02:18:39,849 --> 02:18:37,519
relation to a truly exotic explanation

3251
02:18:42,730 --> 02:18:39,859
is extraterrestrials plane travelers

3252
02:18:46,629 --> 02:18:42,740
from the future and some sort of

3253
02:18:48,669 --> 02:18:46,639
interdimensional phenomena again in the

3254
02:18:50,830 --> 02:18:48,679
binary message I think - let me send

3255
02:18:52,959 --> 02:18:50,840
people people see what they want to see

3256
02:18:55,089 --> 02:18:52,969
in the light house is being

3257
02:18:56,860 --> 02:18:55,099
misidentified by people and watch that

3258
02:19:00,549 --> 02:18:56,870
area day after day year after year

3259
02:19:03,490 --> 02:19:00,559
that's my favorite one yeah I mean as it

3260
02:19:04,990 --> 02:19:03,500
happens we cover three skeptical

3261
02:19:07,719 --> 02:19:05,000
theories that I think are much stronger

3262
02:19:13,589 --> 02:19:07,729
than the local length house in any case

3263
02:19:16,870 --> 02:19:13,599
but because this phrase origin year 8100

3264
02:19:18,180 --> 02:19:16,880
appears in the binary message right

3265
02:19:21,840 --> 02:19:18,190
that's that's where the time

3266
02:19:25,320 --> 02:19:21,850
yeah and John may want to add something

3267
02:19:28,291 --> 02:19:25,330
about this in relation to ideas that

3268
02:19:30,750 --> 02:19:28,301
either you or Jim have thought about but

3269
02:19:32,940 --> 02:19:30,760
obviously it is something which has has

3270
02:19:37,621 --> 02:19:32,950
kind of intrigued a lot of people in

3271
02:19:40,320 --> 02:19:37,631
this field well Jim under hypnosis did

3272
02:19:42,210 --> 02:19:40,330
say they're from the future I forget how

3273
02:19:45,750 --> 02:19:42,220
many here's but way in the future and

3274
02:19:47,880 --> 02:19:45,760
they are us and and that's affected in

3275
02:19:49,740 --> 02:19:47,890
my belief and he has other reasons

3276
02:19:53,581 --> 02:19:49,750
behind why he's made statements about

3277
02:19:55,020 --> 02:19:53,591
time travel um my hypnosis briefly kind

3278
02:19:57,810 --> 02:19:55,030
of hints it could be something from the

3279
02:20:01,171 --> 02:19:57,820
future watching to see what happens um

3280
02:20:03,421 --> 02:20:01,181
but ultimately if you go back to the

3281
02:20:04,650 --> 02:20:03,431
content report in the phenomena and if

3282
02:20:06,751 --> 02:20:04,660
it does have the potential for

3283
02:20:09,240 --> 02:20:06,761
interstellar travel or whatever how it's

3284
02:20:11,940 --> 02:20:09,250
moving around then who's to say where

3285
02:20:13,801 --> 02:20:11,950
it's from so ultimately like Nick just

3286
02:20:15,810 --> 02:20:13,811
said it could be you know several

3287
02:20:18,390 --> 02:20:15,820
different things unfortunately just

3288
02:20:20,761 --> 02:20:18,400
because we make a stance on what we felt

3289
02:20:22,411 --> 02:20:20,771
like based on hypnosis and feelings

3290
02:20:24,240 --> 02:20:22,421
whether it was dealing with everybody

3291
02:20:26,131 --> 02:20:24,250
wants to attack us and say well we

3292
02:20:28,171 --> 02:20:26,141
believe us this we believe is sad well

3293
02:20:30,360 --> 02:20:28,181
okay that's fine we don't attack you for

3294
02:20:32,041 --> 02:20:30,370
believing that why are you attacking us

3295
02:20:34,890 --> 02:20:32,051
for just trying to explain in the book

3296
02:20:36,211 --> 02:20:34,900
what we what what happened to us how it

3297
02:20:38,700 --> 02:20:36,221
happened to us and what's the

3298
02:20:40,860 --> 02:20:38,710
possibilities of it what we encountered

3299
02:20:43,501 --> 02:20:40,870
okay and that's where this this whole

3300
02:20:45,541 --> 02:20:43,511
field in itself is a nightmare I was

3301
02:20:48,180 --> 02:20:45,551
just gonna say well yeah it's ufology

3302
02:20:50,220 --> 02:20:48,190
yeah if you have if you had some kind of

3303
02:20:50,610 --> 02:20:50,230
interaction and you say something about

3304
02:20:57,360 --> 02:20:50,620
it

3305
02:21:01,051 --> 02:20:57,370
different than I feel in a lot of ways

3306
02:21:03,511 --> 02:21:01,061
we we've already had disclosure but now

3307
02:21:05,280 --> 02:21:03,521
we need confirmation but if you go into

3308
02:21:07,530 --> 02:21:05,290
the disclosure crowd you're gonna get

3309
02:21:10,261 --> 02:21:07,540
attacked for that too so what do you you

3310
02:21:11,700 --> 02:21:10,271
know yep I I would be the first to

3311
02:21:13,980 --> 02:21:11,710
absolutely agree with that and I'm sure

3312
02:21:18,060 --> 02:21:13,990
Jean would to this this fractious field

3313
02:21:19,831 --> 02:21:18,070
is is it eats its young and and it it's

3314
02:21:21,301 --> 02:21:19,841
like that bucket full of crabs that are

3315
02:21:23,161 --> 02:21:21,311
trying to get out and by the time they

3316
02:21:25,081 --> 02:21:23,171
all pile up and one gets to the top the

3317
02:21:26,940 --> 02:21:25,091
rest of them pull it back you know that

3318
02:21:28,501 --> 02:21:26,950
but people ask why some people won't

3319
02:21:30,360 --> 02:21:28,511
come forward I'll give me example okay

3320
02:21:33,000 --> 02:21:30,370
let's take colonel

3321
02:21:35,220 --> 02:21:33,010
and even Nick Pope by they both were

3322
02:21:36,841 --> 02:21:35,230
high up in their jobs and Colonel hole a

3323
02:21:39,450 --> 02:21:36,851
desert clearance and they get it close

3324
02:21:41,370 --> 02:21:39,460
now they clearly can discuss classic

3325
02:21:43,290 --> 02:21:41,380
Declassified matters okay

3326
02:21:45,720 --> 02:21:43,300
and if they go on the record and talk

3327
02:21:47,160 --> 02:21:45,730
about this stuff on the Declassified

3328
02:21:49,080 --> 02:21:47,170
stuff immediately people think they're

3329
02:21:51,060 --> 02:21:49,090
holding back maybe they are maybe they

3330
02:21:52,530 --> 02:21:51,070
aren't you know maybe there are things

3331
02:21:55,200 --> 02:21:52,540
they can't talk about because of their

3332
02:21:57,360 --> 02:21:55,210
clearances but if they're trying to help

3333
02:22:00,091 --> 02:21:57,370
and then people still attack them why

3334
02:22:02,761 --> 02:22:00,101
does anybody else one out yeah exactly

3335
02:22:05,750 --> 02:22:02,771
and and I think that's gets back to the

3336
02:22:09,450 --> 02:22:05,760
point that sometimes you know people

3337
02:22:11,700 --> 02:22:09,460
people look to you to take a certain

3338
02:22:13,920 --> 02:22:11,710
line like I mentioned earlier you know

3339
02:22:16,160 --> 02:22:13,930
people look to Jim and John perhaps to

3340
02:22:18,900 --> 02:22:16,170
be the poster boys for this subject and

3341
02:22:21,360 --> 02:22:18,910
when they say things like well you know

3342
02:22:24,060 --> 02:22:21,370
we don't know that's not what people

3343
02:22:26,280 --> 02:22:24,070
want to hear people want the thing

3344
02:22:29,100 --> 02:22:26,290
either to be aliens or time travelers or

3345
02:22:31,110 --> 02:22:29,110
to be lighthouses or secret military

3346
02:22:33,301 --> 02:22:31,120
projects and when you say well you know

3347
02:22:35,580 --> 02:22:33,311
it's not necessarily the answer but we

3348
02:22:37,710 --> 02:22:35,590
we don't have a neat package to answer

3349
02:22:40,350 --> 02:22:37,720
for you then you end up getting a tank

3350
02:22:43,620 --> 02:22:40,360
because you're not trying them what they

3351
02:22:45,301 --> 02:22:43,630
want to hear yeah like how dare ya Jim

3352
02:22:49,430 --> 02:22:45,311
and John not know if they're played

3353
02:22:51,810 --> 02:22:49,440
Ian's Arcturians leery ins Zeta Reticuli

3354
02:22:54,060 --> 02:22:51,820
time travelers coming back from the

3355
02:22:55,830 --> 02:22:54,070
future I mean what's up with that it's

3356
02:22:59,880 --> 02:22:55,840
like everybody wants everything and n

3357
02:23:01,591 --> 02:22:59,890
sound byte you know just boom it's this

3358
02:23:05,040 --> 02:23:01,601
that or the other thing it's it's black

3359
02:23:07,530 --> 02:23:05,050
or white it's it's up or down it's such

3360
02:23:11,580 --> 02:23:07,540
a difficult field to really ascertain

3361
02:23:13,620 --> 02:23:11,590
much funny thing yeah I I had a

3362
02:23:16,530 --> 02:23:13,630
researcher contact me beforehand to say

3363
02:23:19,230 --> 02:23:16,540
I I don't think you're you know if you

3364
02:23:21,390 --> 02:23:19,240
even consider time travel and mention it

3365
02:23:24,480 --> 02:23:21,400
in the book this will bring ridicule to

3366
02:23:26,400 --> 02:23:24,490
everyone clear belief that we're dealing

3367
02:23:28,680 --> 02:23:26,410
with space aliens I said have you any

3368
02:23:31,080 --> 02:23:28,690
idea how ridiculous what you've said

3369
02:23:33,360 --> 02:23:31,090
just sounds you know the don't make

3370
02:23:35,580 --> 02:23:33,370
space aliens sound silly by talking

3371
02:23:37,051 --> 02:23:35,590
about time travel well yeah and Jim has

3372
02:23:39,150 --> 02:23:37,061
been more on the record talking about

3373
02:23:41,190 --> 02:23:39,160
time travel and he's been crucified in

3374
02:23:42,740 --> 02:23:41,200
this ruin the incident even though under

3375
02:23:46,100 --> 02:23:42,750
hypnosis that comes out even

3376
02:23:47,690 --> 02:23:46,110
hypnosis the binary comes out in 96 even

3377
02:23:49,160 --> 02:23:47,700
though there's people meaning that they

3378
02:23:50,390 --> 02:23:49,170
saw him working on a notebook right

3379
02:23:52,490 --> 02:23:50,400
after the incident

3380
02:23:54,470 --> 02:23:52,500
so he's been hammered I've never really

3381
02:23:56,510 --> 02:23:54,480
said what I thought it was and I'm going

3382
02:23:58,370 --> 02:23:56,520
on a record today saying it has to do

3383
02:24:00,350 --> 02:23:58,380
with project condign in the phenomena

3384
02:24:01,850 --> 02:24:00,360
itself and when it's saying that I'm not

3385
02:24:03,980 --> 02:24:01,860
really sure what the phenomena totally

3386
02:24:07,220 --> 02:24:03,990
is other than what the scientific paper

3387
02:24:08,810 --> 02:24:07,230
discusses points out and I think there

3388
02:24:10,280 --> 02:24:08,820
needs to be more research done on it and

3389
02:24:11,720 --> 02:24:10,290
of course I'll probably be attacked for

3390
02:24:13,130 --> 02:24:11,730
that because it's the government of

3391
02:24:15,140 --> 02:24:13,140
paper that's being released well how can

3392
02:24:17,210 --> 02:24:15,150
you trust it anyway we have to trust

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guess what it does the same thing

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Stanton Friedman you are listening to

3505
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the gold standard in our final segment

3506
02:29:04,450 --> 02:29:01,670
Nick Pope let me ask you talking about

3507
02:29:08,229 --> 02:29:04,460
time travel some unexplained natural

3508
02:29:13,719 --> 02:29:08,239
phenomena what do you think UFOs are in

3509
02:29:16,929 --> 02:29:13,729
general I have no idea there are a whole

3510
02:29:18,820 --> 02:29:16,939
bunch of different things 95% of them

3511
02:29:20,950 --> 02:29:18,830
are obviously just aircraft lights

3512
02:29:23,110 --> 02:29:20,960
weather balloons meteors what we're

3513
02:29:26,920 --> 02:29:23,120
dealing with the rest of it I don't know

3514
02:29:31,000 --> 02:29:26,930
and and you know we can speculate all we

3515
02:29:33,099 --> 02:29:31,010
like but sometimes the honest answer is

3516
02:29:36,070 --> 02:29:33,109
we don't know look in in the whole

3517
02:29:39,240 --> 02:29:36,080
run-up to the invasion of Iraq in 2003

3518
02:29:41,679 --> 02:29:39,250
how many problems came from people

3519
02:29:45,219 --> 02:29:41,689
declaring things to be certainties when

3520
02:29:46,420 --> 02:29:45,229
in fact they were unknowns so I'm one of

3521
02:29:49,599 --> 02:29:46,430
these people that when I don't know I

3522
02:29:51,309 --> 02:29:49,609
say so all right so do you think there's

3523
02:29:53,620 --> 02:29:51,319
ever gonna be a time in our lifetimes

3524
02:29:55,240 --> 02:29:53,630
and we're all getting up in years a tiny

3525
02:29:59,139 --> 02:29:55,250
bit and me maybe more than some of you

3526
02:30:02,740 --> 02:29:59,149
that will actually have a final answer

3527
02:30:05,290 --> 02:30:02,750
to ufos you first Nick I doubt there is

3528
02:30:08,170 --> 02:30:05,300
going to be single neat solution to this

3529
02:30:10,750 --> 02:30:08,180
but I do hope that if if we pick an

3530
02:30:12,400 --> 02:30:10,760
incident like Rendlesham for example and

3531
02:30:15,309 --> 02:30:12,410
and we've mentioned some others like

3532
02:30:17,110 --> 02:30:15,319
Roswell and - Landrum and the costs of

3533
02:30:17,980 --> 02:30:17,120
incident but if we would take one

3534
02:30:20,440 --> 02:30:17,990
episode

3535
02:30:23,110 --> 02:30:20,450
then it is my hope but if we dig hard

3536
02:30:26,881 --> 02:30:23,120
enough if it gets before a federal judge

3537
02:30:30,400 --> 02:30:26,891
if enough senators in addition to

3538
02:30:32,770 --> 02:30:30,410
Senator McCain Kyle Sanders but even

3539
02:30:35,560 --> 02:30:32,780
more get involved we there will come a

3540
02:30:38,200 --> 02:30:35,570
tipping point we will have a critical

3541
02:30:41,440 --> 02:30:38,210
mass and and we will train upon a lot

3542
02:30:45,400 --> 02:30:41,450
the file wherever it is lodged that says

3543
02:30:47,230 --> 02:30:45,410
ok this is what it was no I'm not even

3544
02:30:49,180 --> 02:30:47,240
sure if that file exists I think because

3545
02:30:50,910 --> 02:30:49,190
the government knows a lot more there

3546
02:30:53,381 --> 02:30:50,920
are a lot more confused than we are

3547
02:30:57,131 --> 02:30:53,391
sometimes of course people who are

3548
02:30:59,350 --> 02:30:57,141
experienced with how to handle foi are

3549
02:31:03,100 --> 02:30:59,360
very careful not to create a paper trail

3550
02:31:05,080 --> 02:31:03,110
or to create that paper trail outside of

3551
02:31:08,500 --> 02:31:05,090
government in the private sector private

3552
02:31:10,450 --> 02:31:08,510
sector yo let me ask you John we talk so

3553
02:31:13,690 --> 02:31:10,460
much about the interaction with Senator

3554
02:31:16,540 --> 02:31:13,700
McCain who's very outspoken obviously as

3555
02:31:19,770 --> 02:31:16,550
a prisoner of war and everything very

3556
02:31:23,711 --> 02:31:19,780
very interested in veterans issues

3557
02:31:25,780 --> 02:31:23,721
senator flake the other senator is a

3558
02:31:29,140 --> 02:31:25,790
much younger guy he was like 18 years

3559
02:31:29,711 --> 02:31:29,150
old or 17 and a half when Rendlesham

3560
02:31:32,350 --> 02:31:29,721
occurred

3561
02:31:34,261 --> 02:31:32,360
why is his response been John well

3562
02:31:37,091 --> 02:31:34,271
dinner I'm glad you brought that up

3563
02:31:39,671 --> 02:31:37,101
senator Kyl the aid that was handling my

3564
02:31:41,890 --> 02:31:39,681
case actually stayed on with senator

3565
02:31:44,740 --> 02:31:41,900
flake and they recommended it through a

3566
02:31:49,211 --> 02:31:44,750
letter through senator Kyl to go to

3567
02:31:51,730 --> 02:31:49,221
Senator McCain not senator flake so ok I

3568
02:31:53,620 --> 02:31:51,740
I want to kind of wrap it up with Nixon

3569
02:31:56,051 --> 02:31:53,630
but here's what my take all right

3570
02:31:58,810 --> 02:31:56,061
whatever we're dealing with and it's in

3571
02:32:00,600 --> 02:31:58,820
that report that it is this defense

3572
02:32:03,100 --> 02:32:00,610
significance for two reasons number one

3573
02:32:05,980 --> 02:32:03,110
what are we dealing with and number two

3574
02:32:07,540 --> 02:32:05,990
how do the militaries and governments of

3575
02:32:11,350 --> 02:32:07,550
the world use it to their advantage

3576
02:32:12,970 --> 02:32:11,360
so as long as that is being kept be kept

3577
02:32:15,040 --> 02:32:12,980
under wraps and each country

3578
02:32:16,511 --> 02:32:15,050
individually is going to hold down their

3579
02:32:18,610 --> 02:32:16,521
research because they want the upper

3580
02:32:20,560 --> 02:32:18,620
hand over each other on top of the fact

3581
02:32:22,270 --> 02:32:20,570
that some of this stuff can be used

3582
02:32:24,430 --> 02:32:22,280
against their own people to keep them in

3583
02:32:27,551 --> 02:32:24,440
line possibly we're never gonna get a

3584
02:32:29,261 --> 02:32:27,561
straight answer note from that and you

3585
02:32:30,650 --> 02:32:29,271
know how hard it is to get anything out

3586
02:32:34,020 --> 02:32:30,660
that's been classified

3587
02:32:37,200 --> 02:32:34,030
or you know is national security so this

3588
02:32:39,060 --> 02:32:37,210
is a national security issue and so even

3589
02:32:40,830 --> 02:32:39,070
the people involved in Congress they're

3590
02:32:42,360 --> 02:32:40,840
gonna be held liable you know they're

3591
02:32:44,070 --> 02:32:42,370
gonna have to stay to the arrows because

3592
02:32:45,600 --> 02:32:44,080
even if they do get a secret brief they

3593
02:32:48,810 --> 02:32:45,610
can't go out publicly talk about it

3594
02:32:52,170 --> 02:32:48,820
either yeah yeah it's it's a conundrum

3595
02:32:54,360 --> 02:32:52,180
that doesn't have any easy answers well

3596
02:32:56,551 --> 02:32:54,370
I want to state right now here for our

3597
02:32:58,620 --> 02:32:56,561
listeners that the the inclusion of the

3598
02:33:01,080 --> 02:32:58,630
condign report information is is

3599
02:33:03,000 --> 02:33:01,090
bombshell and in I mean that's worth

3600
02:33:05,610 --> 02:33:03,010
that's worth getting the book just for

3601
02:33:07,680 --> 02:33:05,620
that as well as the wonderful job that

3602
02:33:09,240 --> 02:33:07,690
you guys did really revisiting one of

3603
02:33:13,380 --> 02:33:09,250
the most crucial cases in the history of

3604
02:33:15,210 --> 02:33:13,390
UFOs and and we've had quite a trifecta

3605
02:33:16,560 --> 02:33:15,220
here the last few weeks we talked at

3606
02:33:19,410 --> 02:33:16,570
length with Ray Stamford about this

3607
02:33:22,020 --> 02:33:19,420
coral case last week we're really on a

3608
02:33:24,060 --> 02:33:22,030
roll here John I really wish you all the

3609
02:33:26,280 --> 02:33:24,070
best in your efforts anything we can do

3610
02:33:28,650 --> 02:33:26,290
at the para cast to help you guys out

3611
02:33:31,320 --> 02:33:28,660
just don't hesitate to let us know any

3612
02:33:33,180 --> 02:33:31,330
sort of petitions that sort of thing we

3613
02:33:36,630 --> 02:33:33,190
can help get the word out I do have a

3614
02:33:38,940 --> 02:33:36,640
question for Nick which yeah is from one

3615
02:33:40,560 --> 02:33:38,950
of our longest time posters daivim who

3616
02:33:42,480 --> 02:33:40,570
doesn't ask many questions but he has

3617
02:33:44,610 --> 02:33:42,490
some Doozers and he's wondering about

3618
02:33:46,980 --> 02:33:44,620
your involvement with sony computers and

3619
02:33:49,140 --> 02:33:46,990
predicting a UFO encounter during the

3620
02:33:54,090 --> 02:33:49,150
2012 olympics do you want to comment on

3621
02:33:57,090 --> 02:33:54,100
that because i investigated ufos for the

3622
02:34:00,180 --> 02:33:57,100
government basically a whole bunch of

3623
02:34:03,930 --> 02:34:00,190
hollywood movie companies and video game

3624
02:34:07,320 --> 02:34:03,940
companies often ask me to do consultancy

3625
02:34:09,511 --> 02:34:07,330
for foot news sci-fi films new alien

3626
02:34:13,051 --> 02:34:09,521
invasion video games and we do a lot of

3627
02:34:16,860 --> 02:34:13,061
fun PR campaigns for that and I've done

3628
02:34:20,070 --> 02:34:16,870
I've done some for Sony I've done when

3629
02:34:23,450 --> 02:34:20,080
it comes to movies I've done the modern

3630
02:34:26,850 --> 02:34:23,460
remake of The Day the Earth Stood Still

3631
02:34:29,160 --> 02:34:26,860
super 8 which is a big movie lots of

3632
02:34:31,140 --> 02:34:29,170
lots of other things so yeah I get

3633
02:34:34,410 --> 02:34:31,150
involved with these video games and

3634
02:34:37,770 --> 02:34:34,420
these sci-fi movies and it's it's great

3635
02:34:39,810 --> 02:34:37,780
fun I think for those people out in the

3636
02:34:42,810 --> 02:34:39,820
wider public that maybe aren't in the

3637
02:34:44,100 --> 02:34:42,820
UFO community these sorts of movies and

3638
02:34:46,230 --> 02:34:44,110
video games are a good way

3639
02:34:48,180 --> 02:34:46,240
get people at least thinking about the

3640
02:34:50,940 --> 02:34:48,190
possibilities what might be out there

3641
02:34:53,131 --> 02:34:50,950
you know but not educated about it well

3642
02:34:54,810 --> 02:34:53,141
no but you know I think the important

3643
02:34:57,930 --> 02:34:54,820
thing is that there is an

3644
02:35:00,091 --> 02:34:57,940
interrelationship between ufology and

3645
02:35:02,700 --> 02:35:00,101
sci-fi but they are different things and

3646
02:35:05,881 --> 02:35:02,710
you know with sci-fi with with these

3647
02:35:08,041 --> 02:35:05,891
video games and movies that I do I know

3648
02:35:11,011 --> 02:35:08,051
and I think everyone else knows that

3649
02:35:14,011 --> 02:35:11,021
it's it's just it's friction it's fun

3650
02:35:16,740 --> 02:35:14,021
it's tongue-in-cheek yeah exactly the

3651
02:35:18,150 --> 02:35:16,750
wink and a nod if we can't have some fun

3652
02:35:21,150 --> 02:35:18,160
with this what's the point

3653
02:35:22,860 --> 02:35:21,160
I agree but what do you think Nick and

3654
02:35:25,470 --> 02:35:22,870
this is probably going to be the final

3655
02:35:28,711 --> 02:35:25,480
question of some of these UFO related

3656
02:35:30,810 --> 02:35:28,721
reality shows on TV that seem never

3657
02:35:32,551 --> 02:35:30,820
going to get the facts right or a focus

3658
02:35:35,280 --> 02:35:32,561
on cases that have very little

3659
02:35:38,780 --> 02:35:35,290
Providence well it's frustrating but I

3660
02:35:41,700 --> 02:35:38,790
think the popularity of shows like

3661
02:35:44,100 --> 02:35:41,710
ancient aliens has gotten a TV network

3662
02:35:45,990 --> 02:35:44,110
executives excited about this subject

3663
02:35:48,120 --> 02:35:46,000
and maybe they've commissioned a few

3664
02:35:50,280 --> 02:35:48,130
things that a few years ago wouldn't

3665
02:35:52,381 --> 02:35:50,290
have been made but yeah it's it's

3666
02:35:54,870 --> 02:35:52,391
incumbent on everyone I think the

3667
02:35:56,631 --> 02:35:54,880
network the production company and and

3668
02:35:59,280 --> 02:35:56,641
the individual directors producers

3669
02:36:00,990 --> 02:35:59,290
researchers and contributors to make

3670
02:36:02,671 --> 02:36:01,000
sure that they do do a fact check and

3671
02:36:06,390 --> 02:36:02,681
that they do try and get it right that

3672
02:36:09,060 --> 02:36:06,400
apply is not just to TV shows on UFOs

3673
02:36:12,091 --> 02:36:09,070
but right across the board accuracy is

3674
02:36:14,850 --> 02:36:12,101
important but we have the 24/7 cable

3675
02:36:18,570 --> 02:36:14,860
channels and that's another show and not

3676
02:36:20,581 --> 02:36:18,580
this program hey Nick Pope could you

3677
02:36:22,530 --> 02:36:20,591
tell our listeners if they want to check

3678
02:36:26,660 --> 02:36:22,540
out your work other than their favorite

3679
02:36:32,131 --> 02:36:28,890
that makes it simple we'll put up a link

3680
02:36:33,780 --> 02:36:32,141
for you over the power cash site John

3681
02:36:35,370 --> 02:36:33,790
Burroughs do you have a site or some

3682
02:36:38,820 --> 02:36:35,380
place where one can check out what you

3683
02:36:41,430 --> 02:36:38,830
do basically for now it's just on face

3684
02:36:42,841 --> 02:36:41,440
book John F Burroughs is where most of

3685
02:36:45,450 --> 02:36:42,851
it you know most of what I talk about

3686
02:36:47,881 --> 02:36:45,460
now goes on you know as far as what I'm

3687
02:36:51,120 --> 02:36:47,891
doing and working on and the research

3688
02:36:53,841 --> 02:36:51,130
I'm doing on project condign well please

3689
02:36:55,831 --> 02:36:53,851
John keep us posted about your lawsuit

3690
02:36:57,810 --> 02:36:55,841
once it's filed

3691
02:37:00,330 --> 02:36:57,820
I assume there'll be some

3692
02:37:01,950 --> 02:37:00,340
look announcement sure if it comes to

3693
02:37:05,190 --> 02:37:01,960
that yes and I don't want to emphasize

3694
02:37:06,810 --> 02:37:05,200
um the balls in the VA sport in the DoD

3695
02:37:08,940 --> 02:37:06,820
right now depend on how they want to

3696
02:37:11,131 --> 02:37:08,950
handle this is where this goes you know

3697
02:37:13,350 --> 02:37:11,141
what I mean well the logical answer

3698
02:37:14,660 --> 02:37:13,360
would just be contact your doctors say

3699
02:37:18,360 --> 02:37:14,670
this is a matter of national security

3700
02:37:19,801 --> 02:37:18,370
will put you under an NDA or something

3701
02:37:21,030 --> 02:37:19,811
and will give you the information so you

3702
02:37:23,430 --> 02:37:21,040
can treat the guy but that's only

3703
02:37:25,850 --> 02:37:23,440
logical there you go right government

3704
02:37:28,470 --> 02:37:25,860
doesn't work in a logical manner no it

3705
02:37:30,690 --> 02:37:28,480
doesn't we all agree on that one thing

3706
02:37:33,240 --> 02:37:30,700
okay you can find us ladies and

3707
02:37:35,640 --> 02:37:33,250
gentlemen on Twitter we're known as the

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para cast we are the para casts on

3709
02:37:41,160 --> 02:37:38,261
Twitter we have our forms at forum dot

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the para cast comm and if you go to the

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02:37:47,910 --> 02:37:44,860
para cast comm you can download every

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single episode of the power cast from

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the time we started back in 2006 even

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02:37:55,680 --> 02:37:53,771
previous appearances by John burrows and

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Nick Pope has it been that long

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or go to Chris's site ours strange

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current book is stalking the herd if you

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order a copy from Chris not from one of

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the bookstores but from Chris directly

3721
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he will sit down and he will sign it he

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will unknown with it signed and numbered

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you number them - yep oh wow

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you know think about this on eBay five

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years from now we assume you've read the

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book keep it in good shape

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I'm jealousies these guys got a

3728
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hardcover book bin yeah yeah you better

3729
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tell your publisher to get with the

3730
02:38:39,600 --> 02:38:36,971
program hey Nick Pope John Burroughs

3731
02:38:40,261 --> 02:38:39,610
thank you for joining us on the para

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cast

3733
02:38:44,131 --> 02:38:42,311
thank you very much great be on the show

3734
02:38:52,980 --> 02:38:44,141
thanks for having me back I appreciate

3735
02:38:59,500 --> 02:38:56,470
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3736
02:39:02,370 --> 02:38:59,510
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

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presentation of making the impossible